Animal Protection and Public Health in the Third Reich.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 07:23

More Soviet as percentage died in German camps than Germans in Soviet and US.

No they didn't. While Germans were unable to feed Soviet POW's during wartime, Most German POW's died during peacetime. Germany could;d either feed its military and population, or it can feed the Soviet POWs. Soviet didn't have to make such a choice. It worked its POWs to death.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 07:23

So Nazis openly say they will kill all jews when they find htem, and they start killing them in millions but Jews have no right to unite to defeat that Nazi Germany?

Wow, hypocricy much tik-tok.

Further proof of Tito's general cowardice. Notice how he cuts out the key intro to the quote giving it context,. I'll put it in big letters and digits for you:

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 22.09.2015 at 20:11

No he wouldn't. He was vilified before he even came to power. Here's a nice quote from 1933 while Hitler was just the head of a democratic German coalition and prior to ANY Jewish supression:

Did you get that right? Here's the year again, just in case you missed it:

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 22.09.2015 at 20:11

1933

Are you going to continue to play the fool? Can't argue so you misdirect? Typical. Hitler in 1933 was only a coalition leader and had made no actions against Jews in Germany. NONE. Nor was any action planned other than seizing national media interests. There historical quote shows that the opposite of what you have said which is that these Jewish interest groups sought annihilation of Germans as a whole a decade before any 'evidence' of a intended extermination were ever made.

This single quote proves everything you say as wrong, which is why uyou misdirected its context. Try harder.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 12:54

Germans brought 3 million troops to Soviet border while Stalin ordered Red Army to retreat deeper into USSR to show the world that it isnt USSR who started the war, Stalin knew this would happen in future (USSR will be blamed for attack). Soviet foreign ministry contacted German ministry to ask whats going on and why so much troops on Soviet border, and they replied 'those are officers on re-training'. Good one

Soviets were arming and training for war and had massed enormous troops on the German border long before Germans amassed theres:

نقل قول:

Inside the USSR, an intensive armaments production program was under way. During 1938, it had increased by 39 percent, compared to 13 percent in civil industry. Emphasis was placed on armor, development of artillery and aeronautics. In September 1939 the USSR defense committee contracted the construction of nine aircraft production plants, and seven more to manufacture aircraft engines.

This was supplemented by the conversion to fabrication of aviation components of a number of consumer goods factories. In 1940, Soviet production of modern combat airplanes increased over 70 percent from the previous year. The ground forces experienced a parallel upgrading of weaponry. Between January 1939 and June 1941, the Red Army received over 7,000 new tanks and 82,000 artillery pieces (including mortars).

On June 26, 1940, a law was enacted extending the Soviet workday from seven to eight hours, and to seven days per week. Disciplinary action for tardiness or slothfulness in the factories was imposed on the work force. These are measures normally introduced during wartime.

Conscription swelled the ranks of the Red Army. A force numbering 1 million men in the spring of 1938 surpassed 5 million by June 1941. The growth was summarized by the historian Roger Reese: "There were 198 rifle divisions in 1941, compared to fewer than 30 in 1927; 31 motorized rifle divisions in 1941 and none in 1927; 61 tank divisions in 1941 and none as late as 1939."7

The German Eastern front was undefended as the Soviets massed troops and equipment.

نقل قول:

The threat of potential German aggression supposedly compelled Moscow to extend the USSR's frontiers to blunt the impetus of a German offensive. The premise ignores the fact that the Soviet operations in the Baltic and into Bessarabia occurred opposite a virtually undefended German border. Four German infantry divisions and six militia divisions protected the demarcation line shared with the Soviet Union. Two were transferred to the western front in June.

Soviet spy networks showed there was no evidence of an aggressive policy on the Eastern Front by the Germans.

نقل قول:

Stalin possessed a splendid espionage network, which consistently forewarned him of German plans. His spies could not have failed to observe (and report) that there were no German deliberations regarding an invasion of the USSR at that time. The atmosphere in Foreign Armies East, the German general staffs section assigned to matters related to the Red Army, was described by Maj. Erich Helmdach, who was posted there in July 1940:

I found genuinely peacetime conditions in the department. The air war against England generated far greater interest. There was no trace of "war preparations," except that a Soviet film, The Breakthrough into the Mannerheim Line, a documentary about the Soviet winter war in Finland, was screened for the general staff officers. The post-film summary by Col. (Eberhard) Kinzel was limited solely to disparaging observations on the military achievements of the Red Army and its antiquated combat ordnance.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html

I've provided substantial evidence, all taken from Russia's own archives. You clearly skipped everything said like usual and went on some ridiculous tirade. Russian war archives remain closed. Why? The same reason the US and Britain keep theirs closed. They all fear the truth leaking.

The truth that WW2 was not a war of good and evil and that it was Germany that sought peace.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 14:36

Guessing you haven't read your own manifesto? Hitler made it clear that Jews would be isolated and incarcerated as early as 1920.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

Nothing in that link mentions incarceration and isolation. Only the 25 point plan mentions the question of Jewish citizens which Wikipedia has added and isn't part of the 25 point plan. Over 150,000 Jews and half Jews served in the German military.

Either way, consensual deportation was the plan during peacetime, forced deportation became the plan during wartime. Jews were not suppressed until 38-39 long after the 5 year sanctions and warmongering that Jewish groups incited. They made it very clear that ALL German people should be annihilated and that Germany should remain inert for all time. All because 33% of the population voted in a Party which sought to overthrow the banks.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 14:55

I expected you to read the speech, not just the Wikipedia page.

But he clearly states in the speech, that Jews are not citizens and must identify themselves as non-citizens. Jews that do not do this should be subject to arrest. This is 1920, and Hitler has already begun anti-Jewish rhetoric. I'm not surprised that 13 years later the Jews begin to fight back. Like I've told you before, Hatred against a group = violent reaction. This psychological defense mechanism is seen in all groups and well accepted by the scientific community. Hell, you can probably recognize it in yourself.

Post the speech source. Why post a link which had nothing to do with what you said? German Jews remained citizens many years after the NSDAP took supreme power. There was consensual repatriation during peacetime co operated with Zionist groups. Why should ALL Germans be exterminated and their nation left inert just because there was a coalition party with a leader who wanted to depose Jewish bankers?

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 15:24

I'm not justifying the Jewish response, I'm explaining why it happened. You claimed that Hitler was unfairly characterized in 1933, I responded with evidence to the contrary.

As for the speech, are you seriously so incompetent that you can't scroll down on a page and click the link? You could google the damn speech if you didn't see the link on the Wikipedia page. I gave you the name, the speaker, and the date. I provided a summary of what was said. Why am I expected to hand you every single little detail? You are not a 5 year-old. Be a big boy and look things up when someone gives you all the information. Its not like a went "Tito mode" and spouted off a random statement that can't be linked to any real data anywhere. I provided everything you needed, just click a few extra links.
But here, http://carolynyeager.net/why-we-are-antisemites-text-adolf-hitlers-1920-speech-hofbr%C3%A4uhaus
I have some links to audio versions too if reading is too hard.

You didn't provide shit. I'm not doing your legwork.

The only line which comes close to what you said:

نقل قول:

And in this action we will remain adamant, which means: removal of Jews from amongst our people (Loud and long sustained applause and clapping), not because we begrudge them their existence - we congratulate the rest of the world on account of their visits (great hilarity) - but because we value the existence of our own people a thousand times higher than that of an alien race. (Bravo!)

How is this 'isolation and incarceration'. It clearly stipulates deportation which they carried out legally and consensually with Zionist approval. None of this justifies an AMERICAN and BRITISH Jewish response which says that ALL Germans should be exterminated and their nation left inert and defenceless. Germany helped them gain a home of their own with their wealth intact.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 13:05

No they didn't. While Germans were unable to feed Soviet POW's during wartime, Most German POW's died during peacetime. Germany could;d either feed its military and population, or it can feed the Soviet POWs. Soviet didn't have to make such a choice. It worked its POWs to death.

Germany had 5 million Soviet POWs, 3 million died. USSR had 3 million German POWs, 1 million died. Which mean 60% of Soviets died in Germany, while 30% of Germans died in USSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 13:19

Soviets were arming and training for war and had massed enormous troops on the German border long before Germans amassed theres:

نقل قول:

Inside the USSR, an intensive armaments production program was under way. During 1938, it had increased by 39 percent, compared to 13 percent in civil industry. Emphasis was placed on armor, development of artillery and aeronautics. In September 1939 the USSR defense committee contracted the construction of nine aircraft production plants, and seven more to manufacture aircraft engines.

This was supplemented by the conversion to fabrication of aviation components of a number of consumer goods factories. In 1940, Soviet production of modern combat airplanes increased over 70 percent from the previous year. The ground forces experienced a parallel upgrading of weaponry. Between January 1939 and June 1941, the Red Army received over 7,000 new tanks and 82,000 artillery pieces (including mortars).

On June 26, 1940, a law was enacted extending the Soviet workday from seven to eight hours, and to seven days per week. Disciplinary action for tardiness or slothfulness in the factories was imposed on the work force. These are measures normally introduced during wartime.

Conscription swelled the ranks of the Red Army. A force numbering 1 million men in the spring of 1938 surpassed 5 million by June 1941. The growth was summarized by the historian Roger Reese: "There were 198 rifle divisions in 1941, compared to fewer than 30 in 1927; 31 motorized rifle divisions in 1941 and none in 1927; 61 tank divisions in 1941 and none as late as 1939."7

That is called THIRD FIVE-YEARS PLAN. First was development of agriculture, second plan was development of industry and third was about military development. Every state develop it's own armies, that is not aimed at anyone, and if you feel threatened, develop your own guns.

That is not excuse to invade neutral country and kill 27 million people, of them 16 million unarmed civilians full of children, women and elders.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 15:45

If you are too lazy to research a topic that is being discussed, especially when I tell you what to look at, that's not my problem. Maybe that kind of attitude is tolerated down living in your mothers' basement, but in the real world people check references that they haven't seen before.

I should check a reference to a speech that has nothing to do with the link? Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over a request for a speech that you spoke about. No, I shouldn't have to go through 150 reference sources to find a speech you brought up.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 15:45

You aren't even reading my posts anymore.

I did. You made the claim that he said Jews would be incarcerated and isolated. He didn't. So what you said was bullshit.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 23.09.2015 at 15:45

Enough of your childish bullshit. You claimed the Jews made wild remarks out of nowhere, I showed you possible provocation.

That isn't a provocation or even close to a standard response. The language used to discuss the issue if Zionist manipulation of society is perfectly justified. Consensual deportation through Zionist co operation is also justified. Exterminating an entire people and leaving their nation inert for eternity over the policy to legally and deport them is NOT justified. No, it is not a provocation.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 16:20

Germany had 5 million Soviet POWs, 3 million died. USSR had 3 million German POWs, 1 million died. Which mean 60% of Soviets died in Germany, while 30% of Germans died in USSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union

نقل قول:

The West German government set up the Maschke Commission to investigate the fate of German POW in the war, in its report of 1974 they found that about 1.2 million German military personnel reported as missing more than likely died as POW, including 1.1 million in the USSR.

As said, German POW deaths were during peacetime. Soviet POW deaths were during wartime. Either the Germans fed their military and population or they starved their military to feed the Soviet POW's. The Soviets worked their German soldiers to death during PEACE TIME.

When the war in Europe ended in May 1945, the Soviets held over 1.9 million German POW's at this time. Most died after this period despite the war ending and more than enough food to go around.

The US deliberately starved between 700,000 to a million German POW's.

نقل قول:

In his book Other Losses, Bacque recounts interviews with people who claimed to have witnessed trucks full of dead leaving the camps each day, and civilian women who say they were fired upon while trying to throw bread over the camp fence. The fact that Red Cross inspectors were banned, Red Cross food aid was returned, building of shelters was forbidden and soldiers were kept on short rations are seen by Bacque as a "method of the genocide."

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_Dwight_Eisenhower

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 16:20

That is called THIRD FIVE-YEARS PLAN. First was development of agriculture, second plan was development of industry and third was about military development. Every state develop it's own armies, that is not aimed at anyone, and if you feel threatened, develop your own guns.

You claimed the Germans were aggressive due to large Germans troops on the East line but the Russian sources posted showed the German Eastern line was completely undefended while the Soviets built up a large OFFENSIVE military position. A position the Germans responded and retaliated against. The Soviets were preparing to invade and all information posted previously backs this up. Ignoring information posted is not a debate. It's cowardice.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 16:20

That is not excuse to invade neutral country and kill 27 million people, of them 16 million unarmed civilians full of children, women and elders.

As usual, ignoring a well sourced response regarding Soviet intentions using RUSSIAN war archives. Why bother responding if you aren't going to give a single retort to information confirming the Soviet Aggressive Foreign Policy backed by troop positions, training, territorial occupation, officer documents as well as Stalin's OWN speeches and words? ALL taken from Russian war archives which have since been deliberately closed and censored due to the information revealed showing the true nature of Soviet intentions justifying German preemptive attack.

OY VEY, THINK OF THE POOR RUSSIAN CHILDREN
EMOTIONAL RHETORIC
IGNORE THE POINTS, KEEP CRYING ABOUT CHILDREN AND MAYBE HE'LL STOP USING RUSSIAN ARCHIVE INFORMATION AGAINST ME

That has NOTHING to do with the conversation and doesn't justify Soviet foreign policy.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 17:24

But it didnt, Russia have a proverb for that 'If grandmother have a d*ck it would be a grandfather'. USSR didnt invade Germany - Germany did invade USSR which mean Germany is guilty for invasion and is punished for that. If USSR invaded Germany, it should be punished, but it didnt. No one cares 'what would happen if happen', if USSR invaded ______, if Germany didnt _______, no one care, it didnt happen.

I dont see courts punishing women for 'seducing' rapists, but they punish rapists who did the crime.

Dont do the crime if you cand do the time

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

the third reich didnt threat its weaker members well...

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 17:29

If USSR invaded Germany, it should be punished, but it didnt. No one cares 'what would happen if happen', if USSR invaded ______, if Germany didnt _______, no one care, it didnt happen.:

No response to a sea of info taken from RUSSIAN sources. No response to a secretly recorded video of Hitler himself talking in detail about why the Eastern Front was an emergent necessity? Why should German wait for the Soviets to get ready for a surprise attack offensive? That's insane! Germany retaliated to obvious Soviet aggression, attacking the Soviet Line as it was preparing an offensive all-out attack. Their lack of defensive positions meant the Germans could easily rush through. So they did. The German line was completely undefended and most of its troops were rushed from the West and South East when it became clear that the Soviets were preparing to invade.

As said, if you can't rationally respond to strong evidence using Russian war archives, why bother debating the issue?

نوشتع شده توسط Tirpitz406, 23.09.2015 at 17:29

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

the third reich didnt threat its weaker members well...

No, it just supported them all throughout the war with troops, equipment, land and manpower despite fighting a triple front war against 3 of the worlds biggest superpowers.. What a horrid ally.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 17:35

No response to a sea of info taken from RUSSIAN sources. No response to a secretly recorded video of Hitler himself talking in detail about why the Eastern Front was an emergent necessity? Why should German wait for the Soviets to get ready for a surprise attack offensive? That's insane! Germany retaliated to obvious Soviet aggression, attacking the Soviet Line as it was preparing an offensive all-out attack. Their lack of defensive positions meant the Germans could easily rush through. So they did. The German line was completely undefended and most of its troops were rushed from the West and South East when it became clear that the Soviets were preparing to invade.

As said, if you can't rationally respond to strong evidence using Russian war archives, why bother debating the issue?

Nope, its a crime. USSR didnt attacked and thats a fact. Soviet soldier didnt touch German (occupied) soil. Germans stepped first onto Soviet ground.

I am stronger five times than you, but that doesnt mean you should kill me so i dont maybe attack you in the future. Only man with complexes would do that, and they end up in jail for long time.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 23.09.2015 at 17:49

Nope, its a crime. USSR didnt attacked and thats a fact. Soviet soldier didnt touch German (occupied) soil. Germans stepped first onto Soviet ground.

I am stronger five times than you, but that doesnt mean you should kill me so i dont maybe attack you in the future. Only man with complexes would do that, and they end up in jail for long time.

Pathetic. You have no rebuttal to Russian war archive information. You're done. GG.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 17:53

Pathetic. You have no rebuttal to Russian war archive information. You're done. GG.

Actually that is Soviet war archive in Russia. Not Russian. gg.

نوشتع شده توسط Tirpitz406, 23.09.2015 at 17:29

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

the third reich didnt threat its weaker members well...

prepare to be demonized in 3...2....1.....

نوشتع شده توسط Tirpitz406, 23.09.2015 at 17:29

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

the third reich didnt threat its weaker members well...

prepare to be demonized in 3...2....1.....

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 23.09.2015 at 17:38

نوشتع شده توسط Tirpitz406, 23.09.2015 at 17:29

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

the third reich didnt threat its weaker members well...

No, it just supported them all throughout the war with troops, equipment, land and manpower despite fighting a triple front war against 3 of the worlds biggest superpowers.. What a horrid ally.

well, if you demonize a small part of a society and put them into destruction camps, thats not being nice to your weakest part, german jews fought in WW1, they didnt fight in ww2...