A fairer future v.2 ;)

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Anna, 22.06.2014 at 09:15

نوشتع شده توسط Meester, 22.06.2014 at 07:35

As soon as the ban list capability comes out, I'll revoke the privilege for you and only you.

How is that fair. These bans are fair. You mods aren't.

نوشتع شده توسط Meester, 22.06.2014 at 07:35

As soon as the ban list capability comes out, I'll revoke the privilege for you and only you.

Support. Good idea, but adog not responsible enough.

I find myself more responsible than a lot of people. It is clear to stop these trolls we need collective banning, however it is evident that Fuhrer Tik does not like this idea. So instead I won't collectively ban, instead since I have a warning system, whereby each person who breaks a rule gets 1 warning and if they re-offend they will get banned ( I have sympathy unlike Tik and Tunder ) I will simply just take away the 1 chance away from these clans. As soon as they break a rule they'll be banned. I think we can all be very happy with this new system.

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 24.06.2014 at 10:29

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

Ok bae <3

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 24.06.2014 at 10:29

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

THIS is the diversity of map-makers standpoints on the issue. Under these circumstances, how can you guarantee that there is not going to be abuse?

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Anna, 24.06.2014 at 13:02

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 24.06.2014 at 10:29

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

Ok bae <3

Lolol

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 07:37

THIS is the diversity of map-makers standpoints on the issue. Under these circumstances, how can you guarantee that there is not going to be abuse?

Ive already given suggestions on how to deal with rogue mapmakers banning people willy nilly. The fact is you failed to act, we striked, we made a deal. Hold up the deal.

My gripe is with griefers. If you must, just restrict auto ban lists to trusted map makers. If someone seeks to have an auto ban list, let them ask for permission and prove they wont abuse it. An admin of a game can kick anyone for any reason. You have no issue with this, but the creator cant prevent griefers? Ridiculous.

Ive given enough suggestions to show how this will work. Stop wasting time and implement them. I dont support personal bans, restrict access to those who abuse. The main issue is griefers.

If a ban seems unfair, the player can complain to a mod. A map can have rules written into the map which if are broken can lead to a ban. Ive based most of my bans on this premise while others are based upon players I have seen with my own eyes. In future I will screencap any rule breaking I see personally and also rely on continued screencaps of rulebreakers. I dont ban without evidence.

The global TikMap rule is if you break the rules on one map, you are banned from all my maps.

I dont see why this cant be the outline for responsible mapmakers.

Evidence of breaking map rules= Legal action.
No evidence = Illegal action

Leavers are down to the map makers discretion.

This seems very simple to me. If a mapmaker cant follow this guideline, then restrict access to auto ban. Ive already made it clear I will be taking multiple people off my original ban list but lower ranks will remain. The ability to simple ban a player from playing a map should shut down griefing over time. Lower rnaks tend to be the alts while higher ranks are the main.

Test it out. Slowly give the power to those who ask for it and have a period of probation to show they are able to use it.

My goal was to stop griefing. That was what the strike was about. Those that seek more are either trolling or demanding too much. My demand was simple. Stop griefers.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 07:37

THIS is the diversity of map-makers standpoints on the issue. Under these circumstances, how can you guarantee that there is not going to be abuse?

Ive already given suggestions on how to deal with rogue mapmakers banning people willy nilly. The fact is you failed to act, we striked, we made a deal. Hold up the deal.

YOU and WE... Hold up the deal... c'mon what parties are you talking about? As if there was something homogenic i this community.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

My gripe is with griefers. If you must, just restrict auto ban lists to trusted map makers. If someone seeks to have an auto ban list, let them ask for permission and prove they wont abuse it. An admin of a game can kick anyone for any reason. You have no issue with this, but the creator cant prevent griefers? Ridiculous.

Ofc. I have issue with this. Both, as Mod and as map-maker.

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

Ive given enough suggestions to show how this will work. Stop wasting time and implement them. I dont support personal bans, restrict access to those who abuse. The main issue is griefers.

They are being implemented; no waste of time. Haste is waste!

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

If a ban seems unfair, the player can complain to a mod. A map can have rules written into the map which if are broken can lead to a ban. Ive based most of my bans on this premise while others are based upon players I have seen with my own eyes. In future I will screencap any rule breaking I see personally and also rely on continued screencaps of rulebreakers. I dont ban without evidence.

YOU! And the rest?

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 11:25

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

If a ban seems unfair, the player can complain to a mod. A map can have rules written into the map which if are broken can lead to a ban. Ive based most of my bans on this premise while others are based upon players I have seen with my own eyes. In future I will screencap any rule breaking I see personally and also rely on continued screencaps of rulebreakers. I dont ban without evidence.

YOU! And the rest?

I do the same as tik-tok
But I don't take ss of the acts, because I only ban trolls that I witness with my own eyes, regardless of the map. (By troll I mean somebody that ruins the fun of the scenario for the other 19 players at purpose, like quitting turn 1, or wf after he said that he won't wf. And taking cities of his teammates in a team game).

The majority of the map makers follow tik-tok's guidelines.

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 11:25

YOU and WE... Hold up the deal... c'mon what parties are you talking about? As if there was something homogenic i this community.

Find a single striker who disagrees with me.

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 11:25

YOU! And the rest?

Yes. I have a set guideline I follow. I've shared it.

Maps have set rules visible on the Map. Those that break those rules can be banned.
Rules can only include map based rulings such as two players not being able to ally, no leaving without valid reasoning, no wallbreaking, no 'rogues.'

I believe 'Leavers' should be down to the mapmakers discretion. Mapmakers can be leniant or authoritarian on Leavers, it should be entirely down to them as long as they have evidence of the player leaving the game.

Honestly. This isnt hard to do. If you are unable to understand the difference between a griefer and a non griefer, why are you a mod? I've never had any complaints. JUGERS use to complain to mods about being on my ban list but now he sends me screencaps of rulebreakers. He supports the Auto Ban because he has to deal with griefers. Anyone on it usually has screencaps and knows why they are there. Others willing to apologise for rulebreaking are given second chances.

Evidence = Legal Action
Zero evidence = Illegal action

Those that do not follow this guideline can have the auto ban taken away. Those that want the auto ban have to ask a mod for it.

I have said many times. If it is an issue, only give it to trusted mapmakers who you know will follow these guidelines. Those who aren't as trusted can be put on a probation status where their actions are watched.

Im here to stop griefing. Thats it. That is why the strike was about. Nothing else. Ive set good guidelines.

نوشتع شده توسط Tundy, 25.06.2014 at 11:49

I do the same as tik-tok
But I don't take ss of the acts, because I only ban trolls that I witness with my own eyes, regardless of the map. (By troll I mean somebody that ruins the fun of the scenario for the other 19 players at purpose, like quitting turn 1, or wf after he said that he won't wf. And taking cities of his teammates in a team game).

The majority of the map makers follow tik-tok's guidelines.

Just take screenshots and save them in a file so if a Mod gets a complaint you can show them the justified reasoning for the ban. Dont ban without evidence. Keep the system clean, keep it documented. Lets be transparent about what we do and why we do it. This is about rebuilding the reputation of our games and clearing out the griefers but doing so without causing a mess among the community.

نوشتع شده توسط Tundy, 25.06.2014 at 11:49

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 11:25

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:11

If a ban seems unfair, the player can complain to a mod. A map can have rules written into the map which if are broken can lead to a ban. Ive based most of my bans on this premise while others are based upon players I have seen with my own eyes. In future I will screencap any rule breaking I see personally and also rely on continued screencaps of rulebreakers. I dont ban without evidence.

YOU! And the rest?

I do the same as tik-tok
But I don't take ss of the acts, because I only ban trolls that I witness with my own eyes, regardless of the map. (By troll I mean somebody that ruins the fun of the scenario for the other 19 players at purpose, like quitting turn 1, or wf after he said that he won't wf. And taking cities of his teammates in a team game).

The majority of the map makers follow tik-tok's guidelines.

So far I've only enforced bans like tik-tok however, I also have a warning system. I find the mods to be clearly illogical.

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Anna, 25.06.2014 at 12:10

So far I've only enforced bans like tik-tok however, I also have a warning system. I find the mods to be clearly illogical.

Dude, just plz: stop talking...

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 07:37

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 24.06.2014 at 10:29

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

THIS is the diversity of map-makers standpoints on the issue. Under these circumstances, how can you guarantee that there is not going to be abuse?

We are being abused right now, we sit in lobbies for 45 minutes to have some faggot laugh it off as he leaves and ruins the game, a ban feature will have some corruption of its own, but it is far less then there is now, since in the community for every 35 players there is 1 map maker. so there is 1/35 less chance there will be corruption then random noobs leaving simple as that.

نوشتع شده توسط Helly, 28.06.2014 at 22:56

نوشتع شده توسط Columna Durruti, 25.06.2014 at 07:37

نوشتع شده توسط Tik-Tok, 24.06.2014 at 10:29

نوشتع شده توسط Professor Adog, 22.06.2014 at 05:41

If you have me ignored for no reason, because I find it annoying to tell people to unmute me

If you are in, have been in, or have said you want to be in: Tempted Legion.

If I have you enemy-listed for whatever reason

In addition, I'd like to say, that all Imperium maps now enforce the Adog Banlist, and that I will gladly handover non-personal bans to Tik-Tok. (Non-personal bans are Criteria 1, 2 and 6)

All of this is stupid. You are making mods and admins uneasy about a simple solution to stop griefers. Please stop talking.

THIS is the diversity of map-makers standpoints on the issue. Under these circumstances, how can you guarantee that there is not going to be abuse?

We are being abused right now, we sit in lobbies for 45 minutes to have some faggot laugh it off as he leaves and ruins the game, a ban feature will have some corruption of its own, but it is far less then there is now, since in the community for every 35 players there is 1 map maker. so there is 1/35 less chance there will be corruption then random noobs leaving simple as that.

Agree, even though this feature has to be implemented with care. And this is what the admins are doing. Like said before, haste is waste.