RIP Turkey 1923-2018

Rip Turkey for apparently having reelected their impatient, senseless, edgy and Neo-ottomanic ambitious, Sultan opressor of Kurds and violator of borders

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072

Elections are rigged. Erdogan didnt win

نوشتع شده توسط BLACKMETAL3199, 24.06.2018 at 15:37

Elections are rigged. Erdogan didnt win

Yeah, read on one of Portugal's main newspapers opposition contests the self-proclaimed victory, can you guys this time have commanding officers leading the coup? kids can't do it xd

They started celebrating it before the official results are shown to turkey and news. The main opposition party says that erdogan didnt win and millions of votes havent been counted yet.

Erdogan even brought "the Free syrian army" to vote for him from Syria. Some of them was caught but we dont know about more...

Erdogan didnt wait to end counting of votes , so he didnt win yet, he use votes of syrian refugees and fsa militants' votes etc. etc. he's keeping all of the media power on its hand. No one can say anything against words of Erdogan. He didnt even wait for official results and declare itself the president, It's clear to see that more than half of votes goes to opposites of Erdogan. And im totally sure that Erdogan cant leave with votes. He can even try to start civil war to keep safe its chair. I also want to remind that one of the candidates 'Selahattin Demirtas' is in the prison for 21 months and there is no any court judgement. Can you mention about democracy ?
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The main opposition party says that they are winning by 4% right now in the official results. idk i think erdogan will do something bad

You call him edgy and senseless while not seeing yourself (edit: in this topic).

There were elections, he won, its over. Crying fault or repeating it wasn't fair does not make you right. It just show that your favorite didn't win, or that candidate you hate won.

His party AKP have 10 million members, 2nd largest have 1 million. People like him and vote for him. The end.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 24.06.2018 at 18:11

You call him edgy and senseless while not seeing yourself.

That was the one senseless thing on this post

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 24.06.2018 at 18:11

There were elections, he won, its over. Crying fault or repeating it wasn't fair does not make you right. It just show that your favorite didn't win, or that candidate you hate won.

I've always been distrustive of elections, I'm not a fanatically democratic kind of guy ergo dislike direct democracy but you can't take elections as serving its purpose by merely calling them, they have to be unbiased, free and peer-pressure free, I'm not really convinced these turkish elections followed up on that, even if people like(d) him. Should he fairly win, that's why the masses sometimes are just too inexperienced and inept to choose their leaderships, it's a Platonic-Aristotelic cycle that never ceases to end.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 24.06.2018 at 18:11

His party AKP have 10 million members, 2nd largest have 1 million. People like him and vote for him. The end.

One person does not mix with Party, this is not mother russia

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 24.06.2018 at 19:11

One person does not mix with Party, this is not mother russia

It's his party... you don't know how real politics work because you are entangled in theory.

Real politics works like this: people join the party to become vassals in return for jobs, housing, money, opportunity and going faster through various queues (college, job, paperwork, access to various instituations). Vassals view this as leveling up in social status.

It is not Russia, it is not Russian invented, Russia didn't spread it, it exist since the modern factions are created 200 years ago.



Now when we know why, let's see how:

Erdogan is party leader, party have 10 million members, which mean 10 million followers and supporters. They campaign for Erdogan throughout Turkey, and if Erdogan win, he reward them with jobs in state companies and administration (easiest jobs with good pay) and various privileges. They know more people they have on their side, more chance they have to win on elections and thus secure their social status.

Therefore, even Portugal politics works this way, just because you didn't join them doesn't mean it's not true, it means you are not that type of man, so no need to involve russophobia.

Https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/978893/turkey-elections-latest-update-erdogan-Muharrem-Ince-result

Don't know if this is true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 24.06.2018 at 19:34

It's his party... you don't know how real politics work because you are entangled in theory.

Real politics works like this: people join the party to become vassals in return for jobs, housing, money, opportunity and going faster through various queues (college, job, paperwork, access to various instituations). Vassals view this as leveling up in social status.

It is not Russia, it is not Russian invented, Russia didn't spread it, it exist since the modern factions are created 200 years ago.

Thanks for lecturing on a widely known common sense stuff, it happens everywhere, but you missed the point

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 24.06.2018 at 19:34

Now when we know why, let's see how:

Erdogan is party leader, party have 10 million members, which mean 10 million followers and supporters. They campaign for Erdogan throughout Turkey, and if Erdogan win, he reward them with jobs in state companies and administration (easiest jobs with good pay) and various privileges. They know more people they have on their side, more chance they have to win on elections and thus secure their social status.

Therefore, even Portugal politics works this way, just because you didn't join them doesn't mean it's not true, it means you are not that type of man, so no need to involve russophobia.

Hence why modern political class and party politics disrespect National Interest and are close to being a stain on Nation's Progress, though in Russia of today and of the past Party is/was embodied in the party leader, there's no how to deny that lmao, switch it however you like

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 07:30

though in Russia of today and of the past Party is/was embodied in the party leader, there's no how to deny that lmao, switch it however you like

Just because westerners are more individualistic and easterners more collectivistic in society does not mean that cult of personality exist. It just mean that you see something which is weird for your perception - because you deviated (west was collectivist in the past, now that's unknown trait).

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 11:52

Just because westerners are more individualistic and easterners more collectivistic in society does not mean that cult of personality exist. It just mean that you see something which is weird for your perception - because you deviated (west was collectivist in the past, now that's unknown trait).

You're making no sense Lenin

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 12:57

You're making no sense Lenin

Because you're millenial snowflake who gets triggered over (anyones)politics and feel emotional distress when some guy win elections in faraway country. You succesfully managed to manifest all their traits in few words when creating this topic.

Even though things are like that for decades in Turkey (airspace violation, kurds, coups), you willingly blame only one person, who is 'accidently' the leader of the country, thus proving what mainstream media bot you've grow to become (first awareness development and you show it by entering political discussions using the very same words of theirs).

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 13:46

Because you're millenial snowflake who gets triggered over (anyones)politics and feel emotional distress when some guy win elections in faraway country. You succesfully managed to manifest all their traits in few words when creating this topic.

Calling me a millennial is like calling me a ultracommunist, you should get to know me better homie;

I don't get triggered by anybody's politics and nations other than mine. I truly care about the Lusitanians, everything else just for humanism and for critical thinking which with all that can be criticised, makes Europe a grandious continent. (aslong as it's informed)

The truth is there's a lot to point at Erdogan and his refugee (and EU aswell) politics harm my nation in some way and that cannot be tolerated. In other words, he's a douche known for being impatient and with authoritarian/corrupt tilts (just check presidential palace issue).

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 13:46

You succesfully managed to manifest all their traits in few words when creating this topic.

u should quit being AtWar's Che Guevara and become a Psychologist, some deep stuff there

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 13:46

Even though things are like that for decades in Turkey (airspace violation, kurds, coups), you willingly blame only one person, who is 'accidently' the leader of the country, thus proving what mainstream media bot you've grow to become (first awareness development and you show it by entering political discussions using the very same words of theirs).

You can't accidentally be the leader of a country for 15 years..You can blame it on cultural traits and societarian make-ups or build-ups or historical shake-ups but he's been ruling it for half a generation so...

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 14:10

Calling me a millennial is like calling me a ultracommunist, you should get to know me better homie;

I don't get triggered by anybody's politics and nations other than mine. I truly care about the Lusitanians, everything else just for humanism and for critical thinking which with all that can be criticised, makes Europe a grandious continent. (aslong as it's informed)

The truth is there's a lot to point at Erdogan and his refugee (and EU aswell) politics harm my nation in some way and that cannot be tolerated. In other words, he's a douche known for being impatient and with authoritarian/corrupt tilts (just check presidential palace issue).

Why name for certain age group is offensive for you and you compare it to political group?

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 14:10

u should quit being AtWar's Che Guevara and become a Psychologist, some deep stuff there

Che? I don't see myself as Che. Idk why you see me that way (i wonder). If i have to be compared to some historical character, i guess that would be Vo Nguyen Giap

Thanks, i'll consider becoming psychologist, though i like anthropology in general more, in the mean time, i advise you to become philosopher.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 14:10

You can't accidentally be the leader of a country for 15 years..You can blame it on cultural traits and societarian make-ups or build-ups or historical shake-ups but he's been ruling it for half a generation so...

No YOU 'accidently' (read: deliberately, ignoring others) accuse him, and not the real villains. Why Erdogan? I never saw anyone accuse turkish generals and soldiers encouraging and crossing into Greek territory, violationg borders, encouaring settlement of Cyprus, invasion of Cyprus, invasion of Syria, extrajudicial killings of Kurds in easter parts, proved corruption. Things that go on for 50 years before Erdogan. No, only Erdogan, for everything.

Corruption; erdogan, war; erdogan, terrorism; erdogan, putin; erdogan. It's definitely obviously same pattern of demonization of leaders who disobey the world order. Its so clearly obvious that it become boring seeing it or talking about it. Everybody knows.





And again to say: i defend democracy (policy agreed upon majority during vote and discussion), and not Erdogan as individual. Dark times we live in when Easterling defending democracy and liberty (also living 'it') while West is decaying.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 14:53

And again to say: i defend democracy (policy agreed upon majority during vote and discussion), and not Erdogan as individual. Dark times we live in when Easterling defending democracy and liberty (also living 'it') while West is decaying.

Amen, 30 years ago Easterlings were starving, now they're prospering and West turned too self-centric. Yet, that does not make Eastern Europe better or more progressive as you try to picture (the poorest and backwarded societies are easterners) and Europe as a whole is still the embodiment of History, Progress and Cultural distinction and upheld that has caracterized us since Ancient Greece.

You speak of all the negative aspects, evidences of Turkish being inept to be stable enough in a Republican artificial regime and decide to blame it on the underlings who perform it. There's somethign developed by human beings that is called Hierarchy. Erdogan being the Head of State means he's responsible for State's actions, which makes him in some way responsible for that matter.

It's also kinda annoying to debate anything with you because you're too edgy, I never mentioned anything prior to him, and I reckon there's a lot to point (especially Turkish puppet republic, supported funny by erdogan still).

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 15:05

Amen, 30 years ago Easterlings were starving,

To be specific, not 30 but 70 years last.

1915-1922 (ww1 and civil war)
1933-1934 (failed food distribution)
1941-1946 (ww2 and drought)

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 15:05

Yet, that does not make Eastern Europe better or more progressive as you try to picture (the poorest and backwarded societies are easterners) and Europe as a whole is still the embodiment of History, Progress and Cultural distinction and upheld that has caracterized us since Ancient Greece.

Would agree in first sentence 5 years ago, but not now. Things changed. Eastern Europe have more freedom now, despite economy still falling behind. Idk what you mean about 'progressive', so i wont address that. Fact remains we are more free.

EU is basically totalitarian state, taxes are high, police doesnt address rapes and petty crimes, education went to hell, militaries underfunded, corruption rampant and plaguing the economy(jet fighter priced $150 million wont end well for your economies and future stability, thats even worse kind of corruption than we easterlings have), debt rising.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 15:05

You speak of all the negative aspects, evidences of Turkish being inept to be stable enough in a Republican artificial regime and decide to blame it on the underlings who perform it. There's somethign developed by human beings that is called Hierarchy. Erdogan being the Head of State means he's responsible for State's actions, which makes him in some way responsible for that matter.

It's also kinda annoying to debate anything with you because you're too edgy, I never mentioned anything prior to him, and I reckon there's a lot to point (especially Turkish puppet republic, supported funny by erdogan still).

Funny how you mention that now, when that argument is also used for US president. Coincidence much? How come same narrative?

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 25.06.2018 at 17:24

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 15:05

Yet, that does not make Eastern Europe better or more progressive as you try to picture (the poorest and backwarded societies are easterners) and Europe as a whole is still the embodiment of History, Progress and Cultural distinction and upheld that has caracterized us since Ancient Greece.

Would agree in first sentence 5 years ago, but not now. Things changed. Eastern Europe have more freedom now, despite economy still falling behind. Idk what you mean about 'progressive', so i wont address that. Fact remains we are more free.

EU is basically totalitarian state, taxes are high, police doesnt address rapes and petty crimes, education went to hell, militaries underfunded, corruption rampant and plaguing the economy(jet fighter priced $150 million wont end well for your economies and future stability, thats even worse kind of corruption than we easterlings have), debt rising.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 25.06.2018 at 15:05

You speak of all the negative aspects, evidences of Turkish being inept to be stable enough in a Republican artificial regime and decide to blame it on the underlings who perform it. There's somethign developed by human beings that is called Hierarchy. Erdogan being the Head of State means he's responsible for State's actions, which makes him in some way responsible for that matter.

It's also kinda annoying to debate anything with you because you're too edgy, I never mentioned anything prior to him, and I reckon there's a lot to point (especially Turkish puppet republic, supported funny by erdogan still).

Funny how you mention that now, when that argument is also used for US president. Coincidence much? How come same narrative?

Few things to point out

1- By progressive don't understand it as socially progressive with LGBT, etc.. I meant culturally open, non-turbulent and non-fundamentalistic essentially (not to extremes to let their own cultures be invaded as we see today in france especially.

2- I'm not as pro-EU as you might think and I fully agree with that. EU evolved from a peace transeuropean-nations cooperation sphere to an inbred of a transnational vice-filled political class with little to no adherence to the regular european, though with some pretty good pragmatic aspects

3- I do not favour Trump's foreign policy or most of the measures he's taking, so that cannot possibly be an invokable argument on me. Every Head of State is responsible by their State's doings during their term of power.

LONG LIVE MY SULTAN ERDOGAN
ALLAHU AKBAR


I am getting used to Arabic life style

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

I would rise up in arms, where is your spine?

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

But I'm free to disagree though and so is anybody else, especially the Turks. The difference resides whether you accept it or not. I accept the results, I can see the charisma in him that attracts millions of turks to vote for him. He's been in power for 15 years and provides an embodiment of stability and tranquility that the Turks desire to fight the "extremist" kurds and to not get contaminated by the Syrian Civil war, strongmen attract big crowds. But the fact he's too edgy and populistic doesn't make him perfect either, especially his neo-ottomanic nationalism.

Also Democracy is simply a majority standing out, 50%+1 isn't a Democracy per se, it's a form of democratic approval process

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 24.06.2018 at 15:31

Rip Turkey for apparently having reelected their impatient, senseless, edgy and Neo-ottomanic ambitious, Sultan opressor of Kurds and violator of borders

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072

I personally don't like Erdogan but don't try to show yourself as someone who respects Turkey or Turks so fuck off

نوشتع شده توسط Metyu, 26.06.2018 at 17:00

LONG LIVE MY SULTAN ERDOGAN
ALLAHU AKBAR


I am getting used to Arabic lifestyle

You will become Greko-Arabic something which I don't want to mention here:D

نوشتع شده توسط ulvi., 28.06.2018 at 05:17

I personally don't like Erdogan but don't try to show yourself as someone who respects Turkey or Turks so fuck off

I respect everyone, just not blatantly stupid people.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 24.06.2018 at 15:31

Rip Turkey for apparently having reelected their impatient, senseless, edgy and Neo-ottomanic ambitious, Sultan opressor of Kurds and violator of borders

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072

and defiler of syrians

نوشتع شده توسط Xenosapien, 27.06.2018 at 18:47

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

I would rise up in arms, where is your spine?

I love my people more than I love myself, that's the fucking point of a nation. That's why someone from Trebinje or Čapljina, with whom I didn't had common ancestor for like 700 years is still my brother.