America vs China

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 04.10.2015 at 12:05

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 09:12

For all thise of you who dont know. When it comes to communism dobt just read the fairytales that some ppl post here about it. Communism was shit. Yes it had free healthcaare,free hospital free school, but no free speech. People had to wait in line ONCE a month for a bottle of milk or 2-5 pound meat....ONCE A MONTH FFS. People had afraid to speak with eachother about what they tjinkrd of the dictator because they never knew if the pther guy would be a spy or not.
If you tried to escape for a better life, they would capture you and take you , your family and all your relatives in prisons where they did inhuman things, one i remember someone said was they would make you fill up a bucket with water, put the soap inside,waited for few minutes then drink all bucket. Communism didnt allow you to practice your own religion. And after you finished highschool they would decide for you what you were gonna study in university.....you wanted to be a doctor? Too bad , you would be a truck driver. They forced kids to build railways and it was called as "volunteer" job. Forcing 10-15 yr old kids to buil railroads and if that wasn't enough their parents had to work in farms. If you denied it....well u know. People were poor as hell they didnt had more than 2-3 pair of clothes for person.
So if you ask me if ussr was better then china, i tell you HELL FUCKING NO

Then we can say capitalism is **** as well, because half of Latin America had dictators imposed by USA who tortured people, had spies in population, took everything from civilians to fund corporations which extract resources and sell them to developed countries. That is inhumane, people couldn't speak, didn't had food, clothes, not to mention cars or toilet paper.

I don't know about other communist countries but USSR didn't force people to work or study what they didn't want. USSR encouranged people to study whatever they want and funded them to do that. That's why USSR was first in technology and science, went first to space.

You literally just said 'i've seen human kill human, that mean all human civilization is bad'. Why do you ignore that there are some good people who help other people? You just claim something ignoring all facts.

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 09:27

Btw the title is America vs China and the poll question is about USSR and CHINA.

Your obsession with comparing usa with russia went off chart on this one

Clearly you didn't read or you don't understand the question.

Unlike you i dont speak about other countries, i speak about what my country been through during communism. Capitalism isnt perfect but according tp my opinion is better than the shitty communism

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 12:50

Unlike you i dont speak about other countries, i speak about what my country been through during communism. Capitalism isnt perfect but according tp my opinion is better than the shitty communism

Let me point out that when your country became capitalist - 800,000 people left the country. Maybe because capitalism was too good for them. Don't you remember almost-civil-war in 1997 when economy and financials collapsed due to capitalist policies?

http://prntscr.com/8npdl3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Rebellion_of_1997

Therefore, as you said above, it is about opinion, not facts, that we choose to like or dislike ideologies. That mean if you dislike some ideology, doesn't mean it is bad for the rest.

This question answered years ago.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 04.10.2015 at 13:50

you seem to forget that before that for about 50 years albania was communist which ruined its economy,capitalism only made albania richer if you compare it to albania uder hoxhas rule

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 04.10.2015 at 13:50

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 12:50

Unlike you i dont speak about other countries, i speak about what my country been through during communism. Capitalism isnt perfect but according tp my opinion is better than the shitty communism

Let me point out that when your country became capitalist - 800,000 people left the country. Maybe because capitalism was too good for them. Don't you remember almost-civil-war in 1997 when economy and financials collapsed due to capitalist policies?

http://prntscr.com/8npdl3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Rebellion_of_1997

Therefore, as you said above, it is about opinion, not facts, that we choose to like or dislike ideologies. That mean if you dislike some ideology, doesn't mean it is bad for the rest.

Because during communism albanians weren't allowed to go out of country and when capitalism came they had the opportunity to escape the poverty that communism caused to us and they left for a better life. Communism idiology was bad for all albanians and its bad for those who practice religion,its bad for those who seek a better future,its bad for everyone. You didnt live in communism you just say what u heard from others , so dont be telling people lies over the internet of how good communism was. Communism was total shit period

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 14:38

so dont be telling people lies over the internet of how good communism was. Communism was total shit period

You don't read... I don't claim how good communism 'was', i say how communism worked fine for some.

By the way you use wrong term (was) as communism/socialism is still alive (North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam) and many countries (around 90%) pursue communist/socialist policies like workers' rights, unions, welfare and public ownership.

EVERY ideology failed for someone, while succeeded for some other. Reasons are different; from peoples' mistake to luck, war or anomaly circumstances.



Communism/socialism in China and Vietnam are clear success - their standard of living gone up, wages up, instability down, economic growth 7%

Communism/socialism in USSR, Poland, Romania, Germany was failure.

Capitalism in Albania, Serbia, Russia, Congo, Argentina was failure.

Capitalism in Germany, America and Japan is success.

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.10.2015 at 14:38

Because during communism albanians weren't allowed to go out of country and when capitalism came they had the opportunity to escape the poverty that communism caused to us and they left for a better life. Communism idiology was bad for all albanians and its bad for those who practice religion,its bad for those who seek a better future,its bad for everyone. You didnt live in communism you just say what u heard from others , so dont be telling people lies over the internet of how good communism was. Communism was total shit period

I am against communism myself, but i have to say that i find your reasoning flawed. Corelation does not imply causation and my point is that Albanians have a genetic and cultural predispotition to be more ruthless, more violent, more bigoted, more immoral and self-centered than the average European. Maybe it has to do with the Orroman cultural influence, i dont really know.But my statement is supported by tons of empirical evidence and it does not make me racist.

So, if communism is to blame for all the barbaric tragedies inflicted upon your people, then why your people as a whole, performed worse after they were free to enjoy capitalism and the liberal western sociopolitical model? Why they still engaged in fighting, beatings, torture and killing? Why supressing freedom of thought and expression? Why in every country they migrated, criminal ratings went through the roof? Why they became the biggest mafias in Greece and Italy? They killed Cosa Nostra for fuck shake. Why do they support terrorist criminals of the KLA, why do they try to steal land that belong to other Balkan countries and why do they controll drug, extortion and organ trade in whole Balkans? Is communism to blame for all these too? Maybe its the people behind the ideologies who factor more than the ideology itself, in the end.