RA too strong?

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 20:11

My point was that we shouldn't compare RA in 5k europe because, as Goblin said once, that gameplay is too dependable of tbs and lucky rolls. It was already broken before RA got the boost.

I disagree with 5k gameplay being too dependable of tbs and lucky rolls. TBs and lucky rolls affect all gameplay, maybe more in 5k because 5k has low amount of units early game. Lucky rolls? If you're having trouble with neutrals, I think tophats made a guide 2 years ago on how to deal with them.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 20:11

Cut that off there.... of course, we can beat any "noob" with "anything". I'd accept your fact is other players vouch for it though (that RA is being used in more than half of the duels).

I guess no one can have fun anymore, that remark was satire if I wasn't clear enough with "pwn", ok this is silly.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 20:11

That's impossible until probably Turn 6 or so. With a player with the average skill level though, it becomes almost impossible to do. SS, evidences, proofs are welcome...

Read what I put before if you must, but I'll make it easier for you. I stated: spam attack repeat. When you spam tanks, you can get reinfs from neutrals. From where you can spam more tanks and attack your opponent. Repeat for success. Proofs? Goblin once said it...

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 20:11

They must keep moving unless they want to lose. That's actually a good thing that changes RA's mechanics. With 5 max def they already can't hold almost anything, now with 4 def they will have to either buy infantries (who would still have 5 def) or keep moving from city to city (which is a pretty bad choice due to the 3 turns required before acquiring 100% income).

Before anything though, this is one of the changes with most approvals. I'd like to see this first than anything just to see how it goes.

Yes, they must keep moving. So nerfing defense won't hurt it too much. And tell me why in the world they would defend? In this case, Attack IS your Defense.

Sure you could wait for that change and see how it turns out. I doubt it will do much, not if I play my spammy tanky RA. - I will yet again have another rank 5 alt in a few days. You also stated above in a seperate post about boosting bombers/destroyers too and nerfing tanks - This is a good idea and I think is what's being discussed. Tophats denied it? he also denied being male gender before.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 20:52

I disagree with 5k gameplay being too dependable of tbs and lucky rolls. T

We will have to agree to disagree (lol you are really trying to argue that.... ).

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 20:52

Yes, they must keep moving. So nerfing defense won't hurt it too much. And tell me why in the world they would defend? In this case, Attack IS your Defense.

I once made several ridiculous posts just to prove Raul that YOU DO HAVE TO DEFEND AS RA. You don't want to lose moscow or benelux, specially against 1 unit. Ok, that was too mean and dumb. So yes, you do have to defend sometimes, even with RA. If your enemy is good enough he will make sure you can't wall and either defend or lose important, rich cities against few (1-5) units. Other times he's going mean for a city (london) that you obviously don't want to lose (you have full london). The income reset can be so horrendous sometimes that you simply can't afford it.

In fact I think Don did this to me once in duel. Obviously I had to defend Benelux because I wouldn't give that to 1 unit.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 20:52

Proofs? Goblin once said it...

Just tried and for the first 4 turns I can't (left due to bad rolls anyway). That goblin says it is not enough proof tho...

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 20:52

Tophats denied it? he also denied being male gender before.

P.S: good to see we're leading somewhere tho.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

We will have to agree to disagree (lol you are really trying to argue that.... ).

Yes I am arguing that, because your opinion isn't enough to justify. Why else would people choose to host 5k Tournys and 5k Duels over 15k/25k/50k.
This will be interesting.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

I once made several ridiculous posts just to prove Raul that YOU DO HAVE TO DEFEND AS RA. You don't want to lose moscow or benelux, specially against 1 unit. Ok, that was too mean and dumb. So yes, you do have to defend sometimes, even with RA. If your enemy is good enough he will make sure you can't wall and either defend or lose important, rich cities against few (1-5) units. Other times he's going mean for a city (london) that you obviously don't want to lose (you have full london). The income reset can be so horrendous sometimes that you simply can't afford it.

yeah I thought it's obvious with EVERY strat to defend so you don't get jewed to fuck. You need miltias for this instead of wasting cash on inf/tank4defense. I recall you saying that Spart said militias are important in RA - This is why.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

P.S: good to see we're leading somewhere tho.

yes this argument is going in my favour, you only responded to 2/5 points last time.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

Just tried and for the first 4 turns I can't (left due to bad rolls anyway). That goblin says it is not enough proof tho...

brace yourselves... here comes a noob at RA proving 55 tanks easily as Bulgaria, on turn 7.

EDIT: I easily had ~40 tanks turn 6, and if we calculate the starting income of Bulgaria, assuming I had unlimited reinf, I would have 41 tanks on the dot.















I hope I made it clear enough.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

long post

clovis trolling you

نوشتع شده توسط Xenosapien, 06.09.2015 at 22:53

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

long post

clovis trolling you

pretty sure he's not, he's been arguing RA not being nerfed 3 months ago too

EDIT: and it only seems long because of the screenshots, those are literally just 7 lines added to the text.

To be fair its hard to know if hes trolling or not, he puts such effort into his posts, but then they're so outlandish.... Interestingly clovis has lost all his duels to el creyente, and el only plays ra ukr so....

also that poll clovis made, the community majority asked for a nerf to RA.

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 07.09.2015 at 00:42

To be fair its hard to know if hes trolling or not, he puts such effort into his posts, but then they're so outlandish.... Interestingly clovis has lost all his duels to el creyente, and el only plays ra ukr so....

also that poll clovis made, the community majority asked for a nerf to RA.

is there another poll? the one I remember was made by zone here, http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20004

Sorry this maybe a noob comment but.... why was RA buffed only for players to scream it's OP?

PS

get rid of +2 deff for inf in cities of PD and make it only +1

make tanks cost 100 instead of 90 and militia 30 instead of 40 for RA

would these fix both complaints about PD and RA? (the militia thing is a buff I know but before the update to RA player didn't use it much and I think the militia change as someone who used to play RA before the tank cost decrease would of been a better way of balancing instead of simply decrease tank cost)

I think these should fix both sides the argument but some people like to bitch for no other reason but to bitch

نوشتع شده توسط Exo-K, 07.09.2015 at 03:13

Sorry this maybe a noob comment but.... why was RA buffed only for players to scream it's OP?

PS

get rid of +2 deff for inf in cities of PD and make it only +1

make tanks cost 100 instead of 90 and militia 30 instead of 40 for RA

would these fix both complaints about PD and RA? (the militia thing is a buff I know but before the update to RA player didn't use it much and I think the militia change as someone who used to play RA before the tank cost decrease would of been a better way of balancing instead of simply decrease tank cost)

I think these should fix both sides the argument but some people like to bitch for no other reason but to bitch

cthulhu had an idea to buff it to make it more competitive, but all of his suggestions weren't implemented which makes RA too op right now. that would be a nice small change but really the strat should be revamped into what its name actually says (which is happening).

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

We will have to agree to disagree (lol you are really trying to argue that.... ).

Yes I am arguing that, because your opinion isn't enough to justify. Why else would people choose to host 5k Tournys and 5k Duels over 15k/25k/50k.
This will be interesting.

Ask goblin.... I'm not going to try to convince you from something different. I've played enough duels there for justify my opinion to myself.

You can say they are/were balanced b4 RA boost if you want.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

yeah I thought it's obvious with EVERY strat to defend so you don't get jewed to fuck. You need miltias for this instead of wasting cash on inf/tank4defense. I recall you saying that Spart said militias are important in RA - This is why.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 20:52

And tell me why in the world they would defend? In this case, Attack IS your Defense.

Looks like I got all your points related to "They don't need to defend, just attack and spam" wrong. May you explain me what were you trying to say before, and how the fact that you've just say RA does need to defend doesn't affect your argument at all?

I am really confused.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

brace yourselves... here comes a noob at RA proving 55 tanks easily as Bulgaria, on turn 7.

EDIT: I easily had ~40 tanks turn 6, and if we calculate the starting income of Bulgaria, assuming I had unlimited reinf, I would have 41 tanks on the dot.
I hope I made it clear enough.

And here are 68 SM bombers with the same settings (Apply Blitzkrieg to the burned area, it can get a lot more).

http://i.imgur.com/fTolNIT.jpg

Man, I've never contradict you so I don't really know what are you trying to prove here....

1) I say it is impossible before Turn 6 (which doesn't include Turn 6).
2) I say I've tried and for the first 4 turns, I, me, myself, can't get that stack.

Of course, I keep recalling that this is impossible for both you and me, if there was a player there.

p.s: you stop expanding in turn 5, but keep using the income you earned from your cities? wtf!

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 07.09.2015 at 00:42

Interestingly clovis has lost all his duels to el creyente, and el only plays ra ukr so....

Blitz ukr. I'm 0-8 against him.

However I've beat zone's blitz and also won the master of east tournament, so I have nothing to prove. I've also been told Crey's blitz ukr secret that allowed me to get a tie at the end of the last season.

36 tanks t4.. Easy and too much.
With RA, on 5k, considering thats not the RA place to play it on. "Expensive' and aggresive strategy. Requres money and stuff.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 06:24

Ask goblin.... I'm not going to try to convince you from something different. I've played enough duels there for justify my opinion to myself.
You can say they are/were balanced b4 RA boost if you want.

I'm asking you, Goblin's not in this argument matey. As long as I have my proof (that people play competitively on 5k) and you don't, that is good enough for me to justify myself. I don't need random opinions.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 06:24

Looks like I got all your points related to "They don't need to defend, just attack and spam" wrong. May you explain me what were you trying to say before, and how the fact that you've just say RA does need to defend doesn't affect your argument at all?
I am really confused.

You should read the details, this is what makes you look dumb. (and other people ofc, this applies to most people). I stated that every strategy needs to defend so they don't get jewed:

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 22:39

yeah I thought it's obvious with EVERY strat to defend so you don't get jewed to fuck. You need miltias for this instead of wasting cash on inf/tank4defense. I recall you saying that Spart said militias are important in RA - This is why.

quoting myself, heh.

And RA obviously doesn't need to defend with TANKS. C'mon you were stating a -1 defense to the tanks. I even organized it clearly under your quote, can I make it even more clearer? -1 defense to RA tanks will not suffice.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 06:24

And here are 68 SM bombers with the same settings (Apply Blitzkrieg to the burned area, it can get a lot more).
http://i.imgur.com/fTolNIT.jpg

Obviously with SM, you can use ATs and bombers to jump to the cities with cash (which you did), italy/paris/london/germany/moscow. Heck you didn't even take ukraine to get to moscow.

Let me remind you, this thread is about RA. You can show off all you want in some other thread, this was irrelevant and a waste of your time.

But before you start writing your reply, I already know you're gonna say "then why does RA need a nerf" well because in 5k Mr Clovis1122, no one will let you jump from capital to capital. Everything is close up, which is why a ground strategy like RA will easily power it's way.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 06:24

Man, I've never contradict you so I don't really know what are you trying to prove here....

1) I say it is impossible before Turn 6 (which doesn't include Turn 6).
2) I say I've tried and for the first 4 turns, I, me, myself, can't get that stack.

...read this...

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

Just tried and for the first 4 turns I can't (left due to bad rolls anyway). That goblin says it is not enough proof tho...

goblin's words weren't enough proof, so I provided it. duh. That's why I'm proving it to you, are you even trying clovis.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

Of course, I keep recalling that this is impossible for both you and me, if there was a player there.

No you did not keep recalling it is "impossible", don't over exaggerate yourself clovis. If a player was there, it's most likely the scenario with RA would be close. SM won't be allowed freedom to jump rome>paris>london (it requires units!) Read what I put above too.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 21:13

p.s: you stop expanding in turn 5, but keep using the income you earned from your cities? wtf!

Yeah, if you read in the SS I put I was gathering tanks or w/e I wrote. Why would I keep expanding if I was stacking my units to show I can get 55 tanks ez?

Now before you reply, I just want to say I think you've lost the plot of this argument, maybe you're just speechless, idk. Trust me though... RA is OP. It will get nerfed. The arguments you've supplied are getting you nowhere (were they even arguments rofl)

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 06:27

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 07.09.2015 at 00:42

Interestingly clovis has lost all his duels to el creyente, and el only plays ra ukr so....

Blitz ukr. I'm 0-8 against him.

However I've beat zone's blitz and also won the master of east tournament, so I have nothing to prove. I've also been told Crey's blitz ukr secret that allowed me to get a tie at the end of the last season.

He tells ppl it's blitz, but it's ra.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:12

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:39

So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

this is a bad idea, one of the reasons why:

نوشتع شده توسط Htin, 06.09.2015 at 09:33

نوشتع شده توسط Steve Aoki, 06.09.2015 at 09:08

نوشتع شده توسط Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Sm to op, only shit i know is ra to beat it

you've also seen the polls on nerfing RA, more people voted no and you and I both know RA needs a nerf. some things a community shouldn't decide on.

Atleast admins should make clear to the community what has changed with the strategies. Because its more like an guessing game or hours of testing to notice what changed. and I guess not everybody is checking the unit stats everyday to check if anything changes lol.

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 07.09.2015 at 07:55

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:12

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:39

So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

this is a bad idea, one of the reasons why:

نوشتع شده توسط Htin, 06.09.2015 at 09:33

نوشتع شده توسط Steve Aoki, 06.09.2015 at 09:08

نوشتع شده توسط Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Sm to op, only shit i know is ra to beat it

you've also seen the polls on nerfing RA, more people voted no and you and I both know RA needs a nerf. some things a community shouldn't decide on.

Atleast admins should make clear to the community what has changed with the strategies. Because its more like an guessing game or hours of testing to notice what changed. and I guess not everybody is checking the unit stats everyday to check if anything changes lol.

well they have made news posts about major changes. small changes have been told via mods, or will be all over the forum. imo posting about the little tweaks is useless since they're bound to be changed.

There are three kinds of people that don't want RA to be changed
1) Players like El Crey who abuse its current strength and don't want to lose that opportunity.
2) Low rank narbs that know nothing of game mechanics.
3) Clovis who is basically the definition of a contrarian.

Just saying it like it is.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 07.09.2015 at 09:31

(which is why I stopped replying to Stryko here).

it's just banter bro, you know in-game we're all fine. but this does seem like a nice excuse hue.

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brace yourselves... here comes a noob at RA proving 55 tanks easily as Bulgaria, on turn 7.
I hope I made it clear enough.

Turn 7 with 5k Bulgaria using RA

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Fuck you trollvis.
And fuck you Royal for not taking Serbia.
And fuck this thread.
Also for everyone "ra needs no nerf" go fuck yourself.

GO GO STEVO!!!! ROYAL CAN'T INTO SERBIA, SERBIA STRONG!