Free palestine

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 03:56

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:45

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war-report-20161227-gtiogk.html

The UN Security Council resolution called for Israel to stop building settlements on occupied Palestinian land. It went as far as declaring the settlements "illegal".
If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war. It will rupture the relations and there will be consequences." Look at this war criminal asking new zealand ambassador not to vote against him..look at this war criminal building settlements on occupied palestinian land..shame

we'v already talked about it in page 1, the settlements are legit and i doubt whether the un can change it so easily, but you also ignored the very comment that you quoted, the fact that the muslim world has strong diplomatic power does not indicate anything else.

now if you execuse me, i'm not willing to embrass myself debating trolls, the same way you ignore hours of writing and struggled with your childish bullshit i'm ignoring you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cut2thetruth.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/breaking-international-law-israel-makes-the-west-bank-a-little-smaller/amp/

Look at this war criminal claiming palestine lands and build settlements there.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:58

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 03:56

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:45

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war-report-20161227-gtiogk.html

The UN Security Council resolution called for Israel to stop building settlements on occupied Palestinian land. It went as far as declaring the settlements "illegal".
If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war. It will rupture the relations and there will be consequences." Look at this war criminal asking new zealand ambassador not to vote against him..look at this war criminal building settlements on occupied palestinian land..shame

we'v already talked about it in page 1, the settlements are legit and i doubt whether the un can change it so easily, but you also ignored the very comment that you quoted, the fact that the muslim world has strong diplomatic power does not indicate anything else.

now if you execuse me, i'm not willing to embrass myself debating trolls, the same way you ignore hours of writing and struggled with your childish bullshit i'm ignoring you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cut2thetruth.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/breaking-international-law-israel-makes-the-west-bank-a-little-smaller/amp/

Look at this war criminal claiming palestine lands and build settlements there.

i just got cancer

who the fuck runs that retard blog, stop spreading autism kingjim

To be honest, after reading that blog i don't blame kingjim, if these are his sources then he needs better example

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 02:36

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.12.2016 at 00:05

This doesn't have much to do with Islamic institutions. Al Azhar is not ruling the country, Al Azhar never said kill anyone.This is to do with corrupt Arab (not Muslim, Arab) leaders and institutions that fail to act when action is needed. Now we see the same failure to act on the Israeli side when the tables are turned and Palestinians are struggling to live.

Anyone with half a brain can conclude that it's not just one side's fault. Everyone involved has been wrong somewhere. However, the wrongs that are happening now are affecting the Palestinian side the most, and this needs to be fixed. My position on the creation of Israel is clear and unmoved, but now that you're here, everyone involved needs to work to give Palestinians a decent life, and to give them the land they legislatively deserve.

so over course of history, how many muslim leaders and institutes did their role correctly? you too realize that it's redicilous, disprivilige torture and murder toward minorities repeated in every muslim country in every time.

so you desided to ignore and leave our previous debates behind, that's ok, i apperciate you attitude but i obviously don't agree with you about the details.

Muslim leaders? Countless have fulfilled their role currently, and countless others have not. However, leaders leading using correct and pure Islam? There were 6 in history, and all 6 fulfilled their roles to the fullest. Our prophet Mohamed (peace and blessings upon him), Abu Bakr al-Sedik, Omar ibn-al-Khattab, Othman ibn-Afaan, Ali ibn-Abi Taleb, and Omar ibn-Abd al-Aziz, may Allah be pleased with them. They say in the time of Omae ibn-Abd al-Aziz (which was decades after the prophet's death), no animal faced injustice, let alone a human. That is obviously not the case today, and it's because of two things:

1. Misunderstanding religion and adopting a more extreme sect of Islam. This is seen in Saudi Arabia and similar places.
2. Using the name of religion to fulfill a personal agenda. An example of this is the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Mixing religion with politics is a topic largely debated, but my question to you is, are the ones who are failing are failing simply because they are Muslim, or are they failing because a longstanding culture of dictatorship, oppression, inequality, a lack of (both religious and academic) education, etc.

I apologize, did not notice I skipped something. I'll look back again.

نوشتع شده توسط blond pony, 28.12.2016 at 03:56

Egypt in the 2013 pew research poll got a staggering 80% support for death penalty on apostacy. Thats your moderates? Maybe you stop blatantly lying to our face as if we are idiots and cant read. Attacks on christians happen all the fucking time, recently 25 christians died in a church bombing. Tell me when was muslims ever attacked in a Western country? Never. Anyway i wont delve into this more, talking about all the other facets of human rights abuses, its common knowledge, just check the human rights watch reports for Egypt and other muslim countries (including that hellhole Malaysia) and you can reach your conclusion. It doesnt matter if you and your friends are peacefull, that doesnt change anything. There were peacefull families in Nazi Germany and Stalins Russia too, that doesnt mean majority of nazists and stalinists were peacefull and neither that their ideology was healthy.

You might blame West for everything just because the tables turned at 1300 and what Islam did for a thousand years, Europeans did better and more elegantly, but in the end not only did Europeans let you keep your lands (ottomans and arabs did not) but they self critisize all the time, Thats human progress, Germans feel guilty for ww2, Americans feel guilty for the natives, Europeans as a whole feel guilty for colonialism and they all now have stable, peacefull, secular democracies. Muslim countries refuse to be part of this process, self critique and progress and they are still left in the Middle ages and somehow we are supposed to embrace and accept that. Sorry but no.

And guess who was ruling in 2013? The Muslim Brotherhood, a group who had a personal agenda, now considered a terrorist organization. Refer to my post above. Nice choice of year there, Khal.

I'm not saying Sisi or Mubarak are any better, in fact, they are worse. They torture people and oppress the media, but they don't have religious motivations or hide behind the name of Islam. You do realize Egypt has had human rights abuse for years, and it is mostly aimed at protestors, journalists, and politicians, and not aimed at minorities? This doesn't mean there aren't attacks vs minorities, there are, I know, but they are carried out by a minority themselves, and are not carried out by the state.

Yes, a church bombing that was carried out by how many people? 5? 10? A whole terrorist organization of what, 1000? Meanwhile, millions of Egyptians are condeming the bombing and saying that isn't Islam. The majority of Muslims are peaceful, that's just fact. I live here, I know. You don't though, so I will give you reasonable doubt about that.

I don't blame west for everything, if you read my post you'd see I admit a huge incompetence by Arab leaders. This does not mean west is innocent either. Colonialism, imperialism, political influence, behind-the-scenes deals, etc etc.

How are Muslim countries left in the middle ages? Some countries got it right, because of a competent leadership, like UAE, Morroco, Tunisia (post revolution), Kuwait, etc. Others got it wrong. This is not related to Islam though, perhaps a misinterpretation of it.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 27.12.2016 at 13:23

If that's the case and they all want to unite so bad then why haven't they converted and united already? Could it be they don't want to?

No one force them to unite, that's not christianity thing.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 27.12.2016 at 13:23

Yeah, Russia showed how much of a natural brother it was through the repeated invasions, partitions, and repression of Poles

>repeated invasions
>poland attack Russia 10 times, russia attack once and win
>cry partition

Sorry, not my fault for being stronger and you have 10 fails, Stop invading.

So let's talk why they invaded Russia in the first place shall we: When they occupied Russian birthplace - Kiev, they catholicized it, torturing people, raping cossacks and genociding Jews and Tatars there. The situation was so beautiful and peaceful there that barbarian cossacks couldn't stand it anymore and had to ally backwarded Russians to drive the Poles out of Zaporozhian Host.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 27.12.2016 at 13:23

Wrong

Correct.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 27.12.2016 at 13:23

No, that would be the governments of France, Spain, and Portugal, you seem to confuse the Religion with the State a lot for someone who thinks he's an expert

Catholicism IS A STATE. They used STATES to spread their religion. They killed millions of native south americans, butchering them in the 'name of Christ'. That's not christianity. Eastern Christianity never done that.

Catholic Church is the only 'church' who have a military and secret society 'jesuits' and they call their leader 'father general' lol, what kind of sick cult is that? His nickname is 'Black Pope' oh really Godlike name for a peaceful monk who spread religion of love.

Everyone normal can see the evil behind them, not to mention obvious proofs like when vatican supported Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, using nazi salute and helping in killing Jews and Christians.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 27.12.2016 at 13:23

Top kek, the Church founded by Christ isn't a Religion, what a great Christian you are

>Church founded by Christ
>in Rome
>western logic

Church of Christ is founded in the middle east, by Peter, not by some latin named decadent roman who held orgies every night with slaves in Rome or Ravena.

Church of Christ does not have a bank, currency, guards or a state. Church of Christ doesn't interfere in politics and government affairs. Now watch what Pope does.

I never saw Greek or Russian christian church having a bank, guards or money. Why is that i wonder... oh, because it is the real Church of Christ, and that's why it is constantly being attacked by the western catholicism: WW2, Greek crisis, Russian sanctions, dictatorship in Greece, Russian revolution, demonization of Russia and mocking of Greece after debt. Everything orchestrated by the god abbiding Black Pope aka Father General.

So how did everybody's christmas go!?

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 28.12.2016 at 07:37

So how did everybody's christmas go!?

Go? We're still waiting Christmas..

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 07:51

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 28.12.2016 at 07:37

So how did everybody's christmas go!?

Go? We're still waiting Christmas..

Ehm ok

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 28.12.2016 at 07:37

So how did everybody's christmas go!?

Very well, Waffel, how was yours?

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

>repeated invasions
>poland attack Russia 10 times, russia attack once and win
>cry partition
Sorry, not my fault for being stronger and you have 10 fails, Stop invading.

Russia invaded Poland once? Someone should brush up on his Eastern history

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

Kiev, they catholicized it, torturing people, raping cossacks and genociding Jews and Tatars there.

You mean they converted the people to the true religion? how horrible, damnable Poles. And lol genociding Jews and Tatars, more like the Tatars were genociding the Jews and Catholics living in Kiev

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

They killed millions of native south americans, butchering them in the 'name of Christ'. That's not christianity. Eastern Christianity never done that.

No, the governments of Colonial powers did that, and someone forgot when your beloved Orthodox Russia ethnically cleansed all of Siberia

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

proofs like when vatican supported Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, using nazi salute and helping in killing Jews and Christians.

The Vatican never supported Nazi Germany, that was a lie created by the USSR to discredit the Vatican, the Pope was involved in smuggling hundreds of thousands of Jews out of Europe

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

>Church founded by Christ
>in Rome
>western logic
Church of Christ is founded in the middle east, by Peter, not by some latin named decadent roman who held orgies every night with slaves in Rome or Ravena.

The Church was founded by Christ, not Peter, who's successors as Popes would eventually begin to live in Rome

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 28.12.2016 at 06:36

Church of Christ does not have a bank, currency, guards or a state. Church of Christ doesn't interfere in politics and government affairs. Now watch what Pope does.

The Church of Christ does have all of those things, I would imagine that the Orthodox church that you seem to think is the true church doesn't have a bank because it is so much smaller than the true Catholic Church, and is not involved in nearly as much charity or other good works as the Catholic Church, maybe they don't have guards because they don't have the problem of Rome being sacked over and over

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.12.2016 at 05:08

Muslim leaders? Countless have fulfilled their role currently, and countless others have not. However, leaders leading using correct and pure Islam? There were 6 in history, and all 6 fulfilled their roles to the fullest. Our prophet Mohamed (peace and blessings upon him), Abu Bakr al-Sedik, Omar ibn-al-Khattab, Othman ibn-Afaan, Ali ibn-Abi Taleb, and Omar ibn-Abd al-Aziz, may Allah be pleased with them. They say in the time of Omae ibn-Abd al-Aziz (which was decades after the prophet's death), no animal faced injustice, let alone a human. That is obviously not the case today, and it's because of two things:

1. Misunderstanding religion and adopting a more extreme sect of Islam. This is seen in Saudi Arabia and similar places.
2. Using the name of religion to fulfill a personal agenda. An example of this is the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Mixing religion with politics is a topic largely debated, but my question to you is, are the ones who are failing are failing simply because they are Muslim, or are they failing because a longstanding culture of dictatorship, oppression, inequality, a lack of (both religious and academic) education, etc.

I apologize, did not notice I skipped something. I'll look back again.

Well, first of all i have to apologize, i thought you are atheist and if i knew you empathize with islam i would be more cautious with my language, for a lot of years i avoided debating and learning about nations and religions because it seems too pretentious to me, but after being spammed so much about the topic by kingjim i had to write back, i also have to say that as jewish i am able to understand parts of islam and did learn about it, at my youth i spent a lot of time exploring jewish medivial poetry especially of jewish communities in islamic dominions, which rewarded me with better understandting of their way of life.

now, if we go back to our topic, we talked about jewish people safety and ability to live human life in muslim nations, i claim that it was impossible and you say that there are good attentions and good people, that's indeed undebateable, but it's not the only figure, i will continue this in the later phrases.

you mentioned muhammed and his first followers and relatives as perfect muslims who should have had been example to less dedicated muslims, but that's part of the problem, at that period of rise of islam the persecutions against jews started, and worse the attitude of subhumanity toward them (have to pay higher texas, unallowed to wear solemn hats, unallowed to have horses, at some nations it came unallowed to walk on the pavement, the list is vast and rich but years have done their share and i barely remember anything, i can check it out if you care, but i have the feeling that you know very well what i talked about), you also have that with the conquest of islam your leaders also forced the masses between converting to death, for example before the rise of islam the maghreb had ancient and rich jewish communities including hundreds of thousands, after the conquest of the maghreb they all extinced (we can call it genocide can't we?), all the jews that live in the maghreb in the 19th century have had jewish- spanish DNA, and that's not only in the maghreb, that's everywhere, iraq, persia, yemen and egypt, even nowdays when muslims want to show fury the mention the stories of haiber as example of jews being massacred, so i don't think they were very good example to leaders who can provide safety and human treatment to their minorities, i can also say that part of the problem started there.

along the years the same treatment everywhere, that's undebateable, all you have to do is to read a poem or open a history book, even in the golden ages of spain jews got massacared by thousands, the truth is when they had the slightest alternative, 95% the jews or the islamic world left all that they had and moved to live in war zone (Israel) in less than ten years, think about how crazy that is, so you can really say that a safe place for the jews is unnecessary? i think it's not only naive but redicilous.

The funny things is it's not even jews, even nowdays in Israel masses of arabs from diffrent religions volenteer to the IDF because of centuries of torture by Islam.

i suppuse you have no attention to keep debating the other topics?

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:37

نوشتع شده توسط Waffel, 28.12.2016 at 07:37

So how did everybody's christmas go!?

Very well, Waffel, how was yours?

Omygawd, verry good sir. Thanks for asking.

نوشتع شده توسط For Antioch, 28.12.2016 at 14:41

How does this surprise you when the standard operating procedure of your people is this the same as a virus? You show up to a new area, take over its government, and push a pro-jew agenda to make your people rich. If the locals retaliate? "Oy vey! We're victims again! Us poor jews did nothing wrong!"

They had this problem not far from where I work. Plenty of examples of them exploiting the locals and destroying the community.
Jews intimidate locals into selling homes: http://archive.northjersey.com/news/toms-river-among-towns-restricting-door-to-door-solicitation-amid-hasidic-influx-1.1516330
Sexual abuse of children rampant in Jewish community: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99913807
Jews empty school-district funds to support gender-segregated buses and summer camps: http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/component/flexicontent/item/60457-why-a-spike-in-private-school-enrollment-is-costing-lakewood-public-schools-more?Itemid=248
Jew sues police for investigating school shooting threat: http://www.vosizneias.com/51250/2010/03/14/lakewood-nj-yeshiva-student-settles-suit-over-police-gestapo-like-raid/
Jews destroy homeless camp in the woods, putting 120 people back on the streets: http://www.wickedlocal.com/news/20160627/homeless-again-brockton-bulldozers-wipe-away-tent-city-encampment

Enough with the victim narrative. You're just parasites.

Not to defend muslims, of course. Muslims are just as bad, if not worse though. They steal, murder, rape women and livestock. The difference is really in the IQ, muslims are too stupid to jew, so they just pillage.

It's not even the subject being victom or not, the subject was if we could live safely under muslim regime, I will not enter this nonsense debate about conspirecies, it was proven over time in atwar to be pointless, and in that case it's not even relevant.

all other minorities and religions of the middle east suffered the same way from muslims, druzen kurds and arab christian are melicious secretly worldwide organised group with ambitions to rule the world too? why did they torture them? eventually no minority want to live under muslim regime and that's what we debated.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:45

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 03:37

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:18

You skipped my.comment. what are you saying lol. Free palestine. Say no to zionist war criminal 14-0 votes and zionist cuts off all diplomatic relation that votes..france,new zealand,venezuela,russia,uk and many other countries..they even ignored the regelations and chose to continue building houses and steal more land from palestine. Gtfo here zionist

well then, you open a thread with tens of claims that you could'nt defend, forced us to spend time and nerves and then you cowardly abandoned that debate and desperately started spamming your own thread to avoid embrassment and now you are coming back telling me that all this does'nt matter and a vote based on interests and diplomatic power is indication to truth reality and what is right or wrong?

sorry for ignoring your comment, i honestly thought you were trolling

also, don't use terms "stolen lands" or pretend to know what is happening the the administrations when you can't defend any or your claims, you lost that privilige

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war-report-20161227-gtiogk.html

The UN Security Council resolution called for Israel to stop building settlements on occupied Palestinian land. It went as far as declaring the settlements "illegal".
If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war. It will rupture the relations and there will be consequences." Look at this war criminal asking new zealand ambassador not to vote against him..look at this war criminal building settlements on occupied palestinian land..shame

hey mongol kid,palestinians are killing innocent ppl or destroy the lifes of many others.Pls,just go to rekt yourself,no one care about your minds or opinions

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 15:10

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:45

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 03:37

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 28.12.2016 at 03:18

You skipped my.comment. what are you saying lol. Free palestine. Say no to zionist war criminal 14-0 votes and zionist cuts off all diplomatic relation that votes..france,new zealand,venezuela,russia,uk and many other countries..they even ignored the regelations and chose to continue building houses and steal more land from palestine. Gtfo here zionist

well then, you open a thread with tens of claims that you could'nt defend, forced us to spend time and nerves and then you cowardly abandoned that debate and desperately started spamming your own thread to avoid embrassment and now you are coming back telling me that all this does'nt matter and a vote based on interests and diplomatic power is indication to truth reality and what is right or wrong?

sorry for ignoring your comment, i honestly thought you were trolling

also, don't use terms "stolen lands" or pretend to know what is happening the the administrations when you can't defend any or your claims, you lost that privilige

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war-report-20161227-gtiogk.html

The UN Security Council resolution called for Israel to stop building settlements on occupied Palestinian land. It went as far as declaring the settlements "illegal".
If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war. It will rupture the relations and there will be consequences." Look at this war criminal asking new zealand ambassador not to vote against him..look at this war criminal building settlements on occupied palestinian land..shame

hey mongol kid,palestinians are killing innocent ppl or destroy the lifes of many others.Pls,just go to rekt yourself,no one care about your minds or opinions

You comment on my thread, obviously you care

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 28.12.2016 at 13:18

Well, first of all i have to apologize, i thought you are atheist and if i knew you empathize with islam i would be more cautious with my language, for a lot of years i avoided debating and learning about nations and religions because it seems too pretentious to me, but after being spammed so much about the topic by kingjim i had to write back, i also have to say that as jewish i am able to understand parts of islam and did learn about it, at my youth i spent a lot of time exploring jewish medivial poetry especially of jewish communities in islamic dominions, which rewarded me with better understandting of their way of life.

now, if we go back to our topic, we talked about jewish people safety and ability to live human life in muslim nations, i claim that it was impossible and you say that there are good attentions and good people, that's indeed undebateable, but it's not the only figure, i will continue this in the later phrases.

you mentioned muhammed and his first followers and relatives as perfect muslims who should have had been example to less dedicated muslims, but that's part of the problem, at that period of rise of islam the persecutions against jews started, and worse the attitude of subhumanity toward them (have to pay higher texas, unallowed to wear solemn hats, unallowed to have horses, at some nations it came unallowed to walk on the pavement, the list is vast and rich but years have done their share and i barely remember anything, i can check it out if you care, but i have the feeling that you know very well what i talked about), you also have that with the conquest of islam your leaders also forced the masses between converting to death, for example before the rise of islam the maghreb had ancient and rich jewish communities including hundreds of thousands, after the conquest of the maghreb they all extinced (we can call it genocide can't we?), all the jews that live in the maghreb in the 19th century have had jewish- spanish DNA, and that's not only in the maghreb, that's everywhere, iraq, persia, yemen and egypt, even nowdays when muslims want to show fury the mention the stories of haiber as example of jews being massacred, so i don't think they were very good example to leaders who can provide safety and human treatment to their minorities, i can also say that part of the problem started there.

along the years the same treatment everywhere, that's undebateable, all you have to do is to read a poem or open a history book, even in the golden ages of spain jews got massacared by thousands, the truth is when they had the slightest alternative, 95% the jews or the islamic world left all that they had and moved to live in war zone (Israel) in less than ten years, think about how crazy that is, so you can really say that a safe place for the jews is unnecessary? i think it's not only naive but redicilous.

The funny things is it's not even jews, even nowdays in Israel masses of arabs from diffrent religions volenteer to the IDF because of centuries of torture by Islam.

i suppuse you have no attention to keep debating the other topics?

No problem, I understand what you meant. Now I think we don't disagree that, the fault is not in the religions themselves, both Judaism and Islam, but in the people practicing them, regardless of the side the fault is coming from.

Now first thing's first, let's talk about sources. Obviously, perceived facts will differ if one gets them from jewishvirtuallibrary.org and islamiclife.com . So let's look at sources that aren't supporting either side. First of all, here is prophet Mohamed's attitude towards Jews, just to be clear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_views_on_Jews . I think we can agree that the Constitution of Medina gave both Jews and Muslims their rights?

Now let's move forward in history to the next notable event: The Pact of Omar. It's funny, I read both the Arabic original manuscript and the English wikipedia version. In this, I can say that there are clear differences. For example, while there is only one clause about the safety and security of People of The Book in the English version, in the original manuscript there's a whole detailed paragraph about it. Also, while the English version states that Jews and Christians weren't allowed to signal their prayers in bells, the original Arabic version actually says that the they can but the bell has to be gentle/light. Now this is the funny part, I go to zionism-israel.com, and read completely different things from both the Arabic and English wikipedia pages. What can we call this, lost in translation (I'm referring to the difference between Arabic, English, and Israeli sources, not just two of them), lol.

However, I don't doubt the fact that Jews faced much prejudice later on. I can imagine how this could happen. And no, I don't deny the necessity for a safe place for Jews, or a safe place for everyone. What I condemn is the way this safe place emerged, as we previously spoke about. Again, as an Egyptian, I can tell you that before Israel, Jews were living in Egypt as Muslims and Christians do. However, I won't deny the attitude we, as the post-war-with-Israel generations, have been taught to view both Jews and Israel as the enemy. The key I think to fixing this is differentiating between Israel and Jews, which is starting to happen to an extent.

If you can refer me to the other topics that would be great, as I quoted you in the other thread, the only post I have ignored is Netzer's.

edit: found this study if you care for it http://www.alhewar.com/Saliba_Christians_and_Jews_Under_Islam.htm , but I doubt there is anything new you will read in it

Also, to everyone else, please keep it civilized. We are trying to have an actual debate and find facts, not just dump hatred.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:13

If you can refer me to the other topics that would be great, as I quoted you in the other thread, the only post I have ignored is Netzer's.

other topic in page 3, scroll down

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.12.2016 at 00:21

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:13

If you can refer me to the other topics that would be great, as I quoted you in the other thread, the only post I have ignored is Netzer's.

other topic in page 3, scroll down

"Albania" ? I didn't find anything.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:24

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.12.2016 at 00:21

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:13

If you can refer me to the other topics that would be great, as I quoted you in the other thread, the only post I have ignored is Netzer's.

other topic in page 3, scroll down

"Albania" ? I didn't find anything.

just checked it again, looks like we pretty much finished it

as for jews in islam lands i'm pretty much depressed right now and don't want into it if i don't have to, looks like we agree about the meaningfull things, that was good to talk.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.12.2016 at 00:29

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:24

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.12.2016 at 00:21

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 29.12.2016 at 00:13

If you can refer me to the other topics that would be great, as I quoted you in the other thread, the only post I have ignored is Netzer's.

other topic in page 3, scroll down

"Albania" ? I didn't find anything.

just checked it again, looks like we pretty much finished it

as for jews in islam lands i'm pretty much depressed right now and don't want into it if i don't have to, looks like we agree about the meaningfull things, that was good to talk.

Alright, at least we agree on the fundamentals. See ya later.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

Russia invaded Poland once? Someone should brush up on his Eastern history

Once and occupied, before that had wars when attacked first but only when Poles gather forces poised to strike. So we don't wait them to attack first and have advantage. We've learned after 10 repeated invasions by them. Vatican-led Poland was dangerous because it wanted to catholicize christians.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

You mean they converted the people to the true religion? how horrible, damnable Poles. And lol genociding Jews and Tatars, more like the Tatars were genociding the Jews and Catholics living in Kiev

Haha catholicism true religion pedos and gold > christ's religion, how brainwashed are you...

Your pope is a disco club bouncer, our Patriarch is chosen from the monks who spend 30 years of solitude, celibate and scarcity to prove religion.

Your brainwashing is becoming alarming.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

No, the governments of Colonial powers did that, and someone forgot when your beloved Orthodox Russia ethnically cleansed all of Siberia

'Governments' didn't exist in that time, just because you americans alienate your modern government as some reptiloid doesn't mean Europeans does the same. 'Hey its the government bro, not us', 'the government dude'. State and religion were one in the past, Bishops had more rights than nobility and influenced King's orders.

So you can separate these two using modern states as a proof but it's invalid. Catholicism butchered millions in the name of God. I wonder which 'god' they obey.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

The Vatican never supported Nazi Germany, that was a lie created by the USSR to discredit the Vatican, the Pope was involved in smuggling hundreds of thousands of Jews out of Europe

Again your brainwashing is alarming, your lack of history knowledge is disturbing.











Vatican priests were HELPERS in the Holocaust, They had orders issues by the Pope, only rare village catholic priests who had moral and reason helped civilians escape, and by doing that they didn't represent vatican snakes but humanism.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

The Church was founded by Christ, not Peter, who's successors as Popes would eventually begin to live in Rome

Is that what they teach you in the West? It's alarming.

So Peter's successor is a Pope in Rome hmm? You will ignore what Peter said that there should be a church head in every part of the world, 'one among equal' patriarchs hmm?

Because we have one among equals, one is in Alexandria, one is Constantinople, one is in Jerusalem and one is in Moscow. While you have a antichrist dictator in vatican lol good job.

That's why your religion is called 'catholicism' which means 'desk', authority, while we have freedom and equal representation of clergy. That's why we are orthodox, or correct translation 'pravoslavtsy' which mean True Observers (of the religion), because we didn't change our ways of Christ for 2000 years. Sure some pagan ritual sneaked in from Slavs here, but not in Armenia or Greece. Those rituals are more interesting than harming as doesn't require blood, or sacrifice, it is like taking tree into the house (you buy christmas tree dirty capitalist), for us that's a ceremony, buying presents for parents and children on holidays etc.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

The Church of Christ does have all of those things, I would imagine that the Orthodox church that you seem to think is the true church doesn't have a bank because it is so much smaller than the true Catholic Church, and is not involved in nearly as much charity or other good works as the Catholic Church, maybe they don't have guards because they don't have the problem of Rome being sacked over and over

Haha lol the delusion and brainwashing they did to you... you're like orwellian citizen.

'Vatican have bank so it can do charity' This is winner of 2016

Orthodox Church is indeed smaller because we expand via teachings and free will like Greeks brought Christianity to us, by giving us knowledge and freedom to decide, not by butchering everyone who opposed like catholicism did in Latin America.

GREEKS TAUGHT US TO WRITE SO WE CAN WRITE OUR LANGUAGE WHILE YOU GENOCIDED INDIANS AND IMPOSED SPANISH LANGUAGE ON THEIR CIHLDREN SO THEY STILL SPEAK IT 400 YEARS LATER. ALL LANGUAGES OF LATIN AMERICA WIPED OUT IN 50 YEARS. What else can we talk, this is final and enough proof of evil things Vatican have done.

I believe those 1000 guards in skirts with pikes are enough defence for Pope's wealth, right. They are maybe enough to control children they're raping there.

Our monasteries from medieval time survived Tatars, Poles, Nazis and Communists, by using candles for light, fire for heat and farms to survive, like Christ said a man should live. Now those monasteries are 1000 years old, still standing, Japanese tourists in kimonos are coming to visit and admire those castles.



Wooden one:





And your wooden:



I mean really... who have the divine blessing and god-given talent for creation, i think it is obvious.

And vatican fell after first sack of barbarians? They couldn't defend their gold and slave boys right?

When you argue catholicism or orthodox it is as bad as arguing sunni or shia, how about the fact wealth and power corrupt and both churches are corrupted at some point, the reason the orthodoxy is revitalized in Moscow is because it fell to muslim in Constantinople before. So it's went through the process of falling and getting back up, a process all humans and human made constructs need to go through in order to avoid corruption.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 27.12.2016 at 21:03

نوشتع شده توسط brianwl, 27.12.2016 at 20:48

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 27.12.2016 at 20:39

In 1967 Israel won control of the West Bank as a result of its success in the Six Day War. Its then prime minister Levi Eshkol wanted to consolidate control by planting settlements on the occupied territory. He asked Theodor Meron , his chief legal adviser, whether this would be legal.
No, said Meron. The Geneva Convention says no nation may settle its own population on land it wins in war."
- By Bob Carr (Former Australian Foreign Minister)

All those settlements, all illegal.

Clearly they aren't illegal... or else every nation in the world would be voting to prevent settlement development in the occupied territory, except maybe the occupier... oh wait, who didn't vote against it?

Are you fucking kidding me lol? So you're saying if USA took 150,000 people to Kenya and started building their own communities there without permission from the government there and would have armed personal there to fend off any efforts from the government to get them off of their land that that wouldnt be illegal occupation? Seriously... just because they're jewish it doesn't mean we have to grant them special treatment.

You disappoint me... re-read my message. ♥ (Hint==> every nation in the world DID vote against settlement development, except the occupier.)

نوشتع شده توسط Helly, 29.12.2016 at 08:33

When you argue catholicism or orthodox it is as bad as arguing sunni or shia, how about the fact wealth and power corrupt and both churches are corrupted at some point, the reason the orthodoxy is revitalized in Moscow is because it fell to muslim in Constantinople before. So it's went through the process of falling and getting back up, a process all humans and human made constructs need to go through in order to avoid corruption.

No one is arguing, just questioning Vatican legitimacy and using arguments as Vatican bank, vatican state, vatican leader(pope) and other things like Vatican led 'crusade' against Byzantia, the country which was meant to be protected in crusaders in the first place.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 29.12.2016 at 08:02

Looks like Tito has reverted to his usual "you are brainwashed" argument, I guess the discussion is over

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 29.12.2016 at 19:35

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 29.12.2016 at 08:02

Looks like Tito has reverted to his usual "you are brainwashed" argument, I guess the discussion is over

Discussion was over when you claimed without proof that Vatican is true religion and justified torture and killing of Slavs and Turks who dissobey that 'religion'.

نوشتع شده توسط Viruslegion, 28.12.2016 at 11:50

You mean they converted the people to the true religion? how horrible

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 30.12.2016 at 10:35

Discussion was over when you claimed without proof that Vatican is true religion and justified torture and killing of Slavs and Turks who dissobey that 'religion'.

So Turks were killed for following Islam and not for invading Europe constantly

And Russia never ethnically cleansed and forcefully converted Siberia

And Byzantine Bishops never persecuted anyone that didn't follow them in everything they said

Go read a book, Tito