Reality Check: Picks. [and strategies!]

Hallo my fellow at-warriors. I honestly couldn't suppress the urge to bitch about this picking things in CWs because of a situation that happened. We were starting a CW with CT all going well, and then the picks began. It seems their plan over the next three remakes what to get Karsan as Spain(which is fine if you can handle a uk germ combo...) . So we got first pick Stryko picked Ukr, Innate Turk (which is a fair east for east, now every time gets a west powerhouse and we're fine), Desu went Germany, and then Karsan Spain. This is where things shifted. Karsan picked Spain instead of Germany , and that gave me the opportunity to go UK which is the 2nd west powerhouse. So I did. Now all the "lol"/" no uk germany"/"noob" comments happen and the answer is really simple. You gave it to us. The thing is, certain clans want certain people to play certain countries. That is honestly very single minded. Good clans should the goal of all members being able to play all countries. The other clans hide behind the illusion of the "no uk germ" rule because they can't play all countries and have to pick one particular country and expect their other clan mate to pick it because of this rule. That is not versatile. People are getting so used to the west+powerhouse+east setup that its just a series of dull memorization and application. Yes this setup is the most balanced and the most used, but that does not mean people can't adapt to getting stuck with uk germ or turk ukraine. If someone picks Spain over Germany thats their fault. More so if people pick west (cuz they can't play was and they have a better west combo) so their teammate gets east using the leverage of the no turk ukr rule then by all means the other clan picks east. You gave up on the opportunity to get the stronger country because you can't play that then its your fault for your incapability. Besides, UK Germany combo is beatable. Stronger, but beatable. Ukr Turk is even stronger but then again its your fault for letting such a crucial pick slip. So please stop hiding behind the no uk germ rule and start manning up and play any country. This rule only encourages mechanic moves because used to playing a certain country in a certain combo.

Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )


PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.

CT are currently 9:2 for the season, not entirely sure how that happened but evidently they seek picks that will maximise their chances of a win

By exploiting the "no uk germ no turk ukr" rule and memorizing specific countries and combos. I will refrain from more comments bout CT so the thread doesn't get locked.

Not this again.

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 28.06.2014 at 07:06

CT are currently 9:2 for the season, not entirely sure how that happened but evidently they seek picks that will maximise their chances of a win

It's fine, they're pretty inactive so like if they start CWing again they'd obviously lose they wouldnt stay at like 18:2 or something cuz well it's CT, they just got lucky I guess or only CW'd crappy clans.

Pickings in CW's shouldnt be a problem if clans stick to some simple rules:

- dont let oposing clan pick a better strategic country by skiping a counter strategic position while trying to pick countries according to your players

Thats basicly it ...if you dont follow this, its your own fault.

نوشتع شده توسط Leaf, 28.06.2014 at 07:24

Not this again.

Im aware its been brought up before, but it seems nothing has changed even though many agreed UK Germany is beatable. Some are very into their own world of memorization because of specific combo's using the no uk germ rule (ruins cws).

نوشتع شده توسط Goblin, 28.06.2014 at 07:34

Pickings in CW's shouldnt be a problem if clans stick to some simple rules:

- dont let oposing clan pick a better strategic country by skiping a counter strategic position while trying to pick countries according to your players

Thats basicly it ...if you dont follow this, its your own fault.

Agreed.

Support.

People should either stop getting so worked up about turk-ukr and UK-germ combos, or don't become so specialized.

Here's what I think.

UK + GERM = it is ok. your fault for letting them pick it.

UKR + TURK = same thing, your fault.

This whole idea of if you pick ukraine, the other team HAVE TO PICK TURKEY, is nonsense. deal with it. pick what you want. If you don't pick turk then you're just gonna risk playing against ukr+turk that's all.

We will never learn to beat these powerful combos if we always make them illegal. They're possible to beat, I've seen it happen several times.

Now, I will say that a team can have as many picks in a row as they want, period. If the other team don't pick it's their fault. Obviously, if there's a disconnection, it's solved, you must remake due to the confounds of the game making it so.

If the other team's first player picks Ukraine, and it's your turn, and you're not good at Turkey, boo hoo, too bad. Pick Turkey, ORRRRR pick your strongest country and let them have ukr-turk combo. Deal with it.

Thank you people! Shamefully their are still people who go by the no uk germ no turk ukr rule. I truly hope they read this.

There is already a better, nice way to do it:

If you dont want your preset pick, you can skip turn.

This make it fair for the two clans and there is no problem with it. SM ARE THE FAGS WHO ARENT NICE ENOUGH FOR RESPECT THIS ACTION THOUGH!.

So basically, you can skip pick against every clan, and they will respect it. (EXEPT AGAINST SM BECAUSE THEY ARE UN-NICE!). All others clans are nicest enough for accept a turn skiped ( EXEPT SM BECAUSE.... bla I m tired). How this can be effective is explained belong:

" Two clans are cwing:

First clan get first pick, and go UKRAINE.
Second clan skip pick.
First clan goes uk
Second clan skip turn
First clan goes spain
Second clan pick germany
Second clan pick turkey
Second clan pick france

And cw start.

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 20:49

There is already a better, nice way to do it:

If you dont want your preset pick, you can skip turn.

This make it fair for the two clans and there is no problem with it. SM ARE THE FAGS WHO ARENT NICE ENOUGH FOR RESPECT THIS ACTION THOUGH!.

So basically, you can skip pick against every clan, and they will respect it. (EXEPT AGAINST SM BECAUSE THEY ARE UN-NICE!). All others clans are nicest enough for accept a turn skiped ( EXEPT SM BECAUSE.... bla I m tired). How this can be effective is explained belong:

Why would anyone skip their turn to pick on purpose? Picks are decided by a random number generator and are given to the players, on your turn you pick what you think is best. If the other person happens to pick somewhere else leaving a more advantageous spot, like Ukr/Turk, good for you. This is utterly and completely fair.

Read Tophats post. Deal with it. Nobody needs to skip their pick because the other clan asked them too.

As I've said in previous threads this problem cannot be fixed as long as players can leave a CW when they don't like the picks without consequence. Which is why there needs to be a change to CW picking.

One possible idea

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=7852 Team Swapping as proposed by Pulse

Also will people please stop using this terrible "these combos are possible to beat" argument? It's insufferable. No one denies they can be beaten but everyone is smart enough to realize that a team with these combos has an advantage. We can debate the extent of that advantage but there's really no point in arguing such a petty distinction

نوشتع شده توسط Acquiesce, 28.06.2014 at 21:01

As I've said in previous threads this problem cannot be fixed as long as players can leave a CW when they don't like the picks without consequence. Which is why there needs to be a change to CW picking.

One possible idea

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=7852 Team Swapping as proposed by Pulse

Also will people please stop using this terrible "these combos are possible to beat" argument? It's insufferable. No one denies they can be beaten but everyone is smart enough to realize that a team with these combos has an advantage. We can debate the extent of that advantage but there's really no point in arguing such a petty distinction

I agree about the CW parts.

And people do understand that these combos have advantages, I won't argue about it either. However, relevant to the thread, this is why you prevent these combos by not letting the other team get them.

نوشتع شده توسط Leaf, 28.06.2014 at 07:24

Not this again.

Yeah Exactly what i thought^

نوشتع شده توسط Acquiesce, 28.06.2014 at 21:01

As I've said in previous threads this problem cannot be fixed as long as players can leave a CW when they don't like the picks without consequence. Which is why there needs to be a change to CW picking.

One possible idea
http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=7852 Team Swapping as proposed by Pulse


Also will people please stop using this terrible "these combos are possible to beat" argument? It's insufferable. No one denies they can be beaten but everyone is smart enough to realize that a team with these combos has an advantage.

Leaving CW's when not liking picks is kinda faggy don't you think and clans gain bad reputation because of that over time. Like CT right here. Although I agree its unstoppable and sad atm.

These combos are beatable yes, and the team that has it obtains an advantage. Which is why you should pick it or pick your best country of suiting and deal with a strong combo. One or the other. Problem is people try to have both by exploiting the non existent "no uk germ" rule. Which is the aim of my own thread man I'm tired of everyone getting it except a few people who tend to ruin the fun for all in CWs.


EDIT: I don't support team swapping anymore because this still discourages being versatile/adaptable and being able to play in every situation. I got Germany (my worst country) past two cws and have dealt with it. "Oh ill just pick UK first pick and give it to our OP west. I don't need to learn UK as long as I have OP west in clan". Besides, whats the fun in memorizing specific situations for specific countries you can swap? The randomness is often good.

نوشتع شده توسط Desu, 28.06.2014 at 20:58

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 20:49

There is already a better, nice way to do it:

If you dont want your preset pick, you can skip turn.

This make it fair for the two clans and there is no problem with it. SM ARE THE FAGS WHO ARENT NICE ENOUGH FOR RESPECT THIS ACTION THOUGH!.

So basically, you can skip pick against every clan, and they will respect it. (EXEPT AGAINST SM BECAUSE THEY ARE UN-NICE!). All others clans are nicest enough for accept a turn skiped ( EXEPT SM BECAUSE.... bla I m tired). How this can be effective is explained belong:

Why would anyone skip their turn to pick on purpose? Picks are decided by a random number generator and are given to the players, on your turn you pick what you think is best. If the other person happens to pick somewhere else leaving a more advantageous spot, like Ukr/Turk, good for you. This is utterly and completely fair.

Read Tophats post. Deal with it. Nobody needs to skip their pick because the other clan asked them too.

Well as I told you, Not all clans need to be nice. Syndicate pass picks and I also had see some other clans doing it too. SM the only clan I had saw to pick turk and ukraine as 2st pick when the other clan pass pick.... Serious, dont you get enough with uk - east?

SM seems exatly the clan that would take advantage of a d/ced opponent, and argue: " Is not our fault".

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:14

Well as I told you, Not all clans need to be nice. Syndicate pass picks and I also had see some other clans doing it too. SM the only clan I had saw to pick turk and ukraine as 2st pick when the other clan pass pick.... Serious, dont you get enough with uk - east?

SM seems exatly the clan that would take advantage of a d/ced opponent, and argue: " Is not our fault".

Ironic. Almost everyone from various clans agree. Yet you point at SM. BTW, we don't pick second east second pick if its for nothing. If you pick UK then Spain and we picked east first pick then we will because by doing that you gave yourselves the west advantage by exploiting the "no turk ukr" rule.

EDIT: About the DC thing, we DC'd a lot and never cried "its your fault we dc'd". Thats retarded. Maybe you do it but not us. Yes it isn't our fault you DC'd in the middle of a game. This seems to be more of a personal attack eh clovis?
EDIT2: QUOTE FAIL X_X
EDIT3: Fixed

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:14

Well as I told you, Not all clans need to be nice. Syndicate pass picks and I also had see some other clans doing it too. SM the only clan I had saw to pick turk and ukraine as 2st pick when the other clan pass pick.... Serious, dont you get enough with uk - east?

SM seems exatly the clan that would take advantage of a d/ced opponent, and argue: " Is not our fault".

Because it isn't our fault.

Our members disconnect a lot, probably at least once every two CW's or more, it causes us a lot of headache and distress. We take our losses. We can even blame some of our losses on DCs. Yet we don't ask the other clan to let go of their win. If we asked the other clan for a draw, I really doubt they would accept if we're already 10 turns into the game.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.06.2014 at 21:18

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:14

نوشتع شده توسط Desu, 28.06.2014 at 20:58

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 20:49

There is already a better, nice way to do it:

If you dont want your preset pick, you can skip turn.

This make it fair for the two clans and there is no problem with it. SM ARE THE FAGS WHO ARENT NICE ENOUGH FOR RESPECT THIS ACTION THOUGH!.

So basically, you can skip pick against every clan, and they will respect it. (EXEPT AGAINST SM BECAUSE THEY ARE UN-NICE!). All others clans are nicest enough for accept a turn skiped ( EXEPT SM BECAUSE.... bla I m tired). How this can be effective is explained belong:

Why would anyone skip their turn to pick on purpose? Picks are decided by a random number generator and are given to the players, on your turn you pick what you think is best. If the other person happens to pick somewhere else leaving a more advantageous spot, like Ukr/Turk, good for you. This is utterly and completely fair.

Read Tophats post. Deal with it. Nobody needs to skip their pick because the other clan asked them too.

Well as I told you, Not all clans need to be nice. Syndicate pass picks and I also had see some other clans doing it too. SM the only clan I had saw to pick turk and ukraine as 2st pick when the other clan pass pick.... Serious, dont you get enough with uk - east?

SM seems exatly the clan that would take advantage of a d/ced opponent, and argue: " Is not our fault".

Ironic. Almost everyone from various clans agree. Yet you point at SM. BTW, we don't pick second east second pick if its for nothing. If you pick UK then Spain and we picked east first pick then we will because by doing that you gave yourselves the west advantage by exploiting the "no turk ukr" rule.

EDIT: About the DC thing, we DC'd a lot and never cried "its your fault we dc'd". Thats retarded. Maybe you do it but not us. Yes it isn't our fault you DC'd in the middle of a game.

Long , long ago, I remember exactly YOU sayding: " Is not our fault that you d/ced."
Same with " LaBandaRoja agreed to no attack paris turn 2. Everything is ok" ( yes after turn 2 SM cried about remake because he was old and he wfed paris 1st turn).

And next Desu with: " Is your fault for no pick east" when east was exatly 2st pick.

SM already have bad reputation for not begin Nice.

" It is like a car waiting for the light to change color, and change just as an old lady begins to cross the street. You have the right for advance, but only a nice person would stop and wait the old lady to cross."

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:27

Long , long ago, I remember exactly YOU sayding: " Is not our fault that you d/ced."
Same with " LaBandaRoja agreed to no attack paris turn 2. Everything is ok" ( yes after turn 2 SM cried about remake because he was old and he wfed paris 1st turn).

And next Desu with: " Is your fault for no pick east" when east was exatly 2st pick.

SM already have bad reputation for not begin Nice.

" It is like a car waiting for the light to change color, and change just as an old lady begins to cross the street. You have the right for advance, but only a nice person would stop and wait the old lady to cross."

Yes it isn't our fault you DC'd. I thought we cleared that long ago lol read my posts. I remember that CW. FYI we did not remake i just raged a bit because the situation was weird.

"SM already have bad reputation for not begin Nice. "

K. We will be Nice.

If by being nice you want to allow you to get a better west combo with more suited players just for the sake of a stupid for the 100th time non existent rule then k. We not nice anymore.

EDIT: Stop quoting text walls pls.

The tactician is right here
Lesson learned: learn how to play with all countries and stop being a document that skips turns.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.06.2014 at 21:32

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:27

Long , long ago, I remember exactly YOU sayding: " Is not our fault that you d/ced."
Same with " LaBandaRoja agreed to no attack paris turn 2. Everything is ok" ( yes after turn 2 SM cried about remake because he was old and he wfed paris 1st turn).

And next Desu with: " Is your fault for no pick east" when east was exatly 2st pick.

SM already have bad reputation for not begin Nice.

" It is like a car waiting for the light to change color, and change just as an old lady begins to cross the street. You have the right for advance, but only a nice person would stop and wait the old lady to cross."

Yes it isn't our fault you DC'd. I thought we cleared that long ago lol read my posts. I remember that CW. FYI we did not remake i just raged a bit because the situation was weird.

"SM already have bad reputation for not begin Nice. "

K. We will be Nice.

If by being nice you want to allow you to get a better west combo with more suited players just for the sake of a stupid for the 100th time non existent rule then k. We not nice anymore.

EDIT: Stop quoting text walls pls.

Woops forgot you not represent SM anymore. Dont want to make this type of trolling:




You arent a officer or a leader, you cant talk for all SM sorry.

A nice clan is those who:

*) Accept tie purposal if the other clan is having troubles with their members.
*) Those that know about OP picks, have the right to pick them, but still they doesnt.
*) Those who doesnt use any kind of bugs or rewall.
*) Accept cw's even if they are at Skills disadvantage, I mean, for example, 9 9 9 vs 13 11 11.
*) Regonize the General disadvantage of the other clan, and is willing to make a deal or agreement about it.

We must all say, evoL is the most nicest clan for cw. They accept Tie purposal, they dont pick OP combos even having the right for them, They usually assume a neutral posicion about rewall, but they dont use them, I dont really know if I must call them stupid or brave for accept risky cws, and they are sure for discuss about general, or even play with people with no gen (Princess Muder is a good example of this).

[Although evoL is getting a bit more un nice though ]

Illyria is also good, exept for the rewall. As a officer of Syndicate, I must say some peeps love the revenger against certain people or clan .
PL is nice as long as waffel is not playing. CT are nice enough for accept tie purposal.... but what can I say about SM? I had nighmares with Fock, stryko and Tac using this zoom bug ( thanks to god it already got fixed and doesnt work anymore)

Desu securing that SM doesnt use bugs anymore is a good and big step though ( YAY no more nightmares). But SM still have a long way ....

نوشتع شده توسط clovis1122, 28.06.2014 at 21:46

Woops forgot you not represent SM anymore. Dont want to make this type of trolling

Can you keep trolling off serious posts? The screenshots you posted was for a different thread that got locked - (The fact that you need to troll shows that you know Tact is right) - also that was for CWs, with forum posts like these Tact can represent SM all he wants since all of us will agree with him.

May I also remind you that this is a strategy game and I wouldn't want to be nice with bad trolls such as you. btw read tophats' post, it is very clear for people like you.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.06.2014 at 06:58

Hallo my fellow at-warriors. I honestly couldn't suppress the urge to bitch about this picking things in CWs because of a situation that happened. We were starting a CW with CT all going well, and then the picks began. It seems their plan over the next three remakes what to get Karsan as Spain(which is fine if you can handle a uk germ combo...) . So we got first pick Stryko picked Ukr, Innate Turk (which is a fair east for east, now every time gets a west powerhouse and we're fine), Desu went Germany, and then Karsan Spain. This is where things shifted. Karsan picked Spain instead of Germany , and that gave me the opportunity to go UK which is the 2nd west powerhouse. So I did. Now all the "lol"/" no uk germany"/"noob" comments happen and the answer is really simple. You gave it to us. The thing is, certain clans want certain people to play certain countries. That is honestly very single minded. Good clans should the goal of all members being able to play all countries. The other clans hide behind the illusion of the "no uk germ" rule because they can't play all countries and have to pick one particular country and expect their other clan mate to pick it because of this rule. That is not versatile. People are getting so used to the west+powerhouse+east setup that its just a series of dull memorization and application. Yes this setup is the most balanced and the most used, but that does not mean people can't adapt to getting stuck with uk germ or turk ukraine. If someone picks Spain over Germany thats their fault. More so if people pick west (cuz they can't play was and they have a better west combo) so their teammate gets east using the leverage of the no turk ukr rule then by all means the other clan picks east. You gave up on the opportunity to get the stronger country because you can't play that then its your fault for your incapability. Besides, UK Germany combo is beatable. Stronger, but beatable. Ukr Turk is even stronger but then again its your fault for letting such a crucial pick slip. So please stop hiding behind the no uk germ rule and start manning up and play any country. This rule only encourages mechanic moves because used to playing a certain country in a certain combo.

Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )


PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.

Those are some plans that some members of CT dosent really support them.IF there are u idiots that dont get from anything(i spent like 1 hour to do innate and buff to understand why sm picks fair)but they dont get it.Pls if u want to stop it,when CT do it or every other clan dont cw them anymore till they understand how the picks in one cw work.

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 28.06.2014 at 07:06

CT are currently 9:2 for the season, not entirely sure how that happened but evidently they seek picks that will maximise their chances of a win

Hate For Haters.

نوشتع شده توسط bullet86, 28.06.2014 at 07:32

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 28.06.2014 at 07:06

CT are currently 9:2 for the season, not entirely sure how that happened but evidently they seek picks that will maximise their chances of a win

It's fine, they're pretty inactive so like if they start CWing again they'd obviously lose they wouldnt stay at like 18:2 or something cuz well it's CT, they just got lucky I guess or only CW'd crappy clans.

See other games and if SM,Illy,Pl are crappy clans yes we done it.

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 28.06.2014 at 21:11

نوشتع شده توسط Acquiesce, 28.06.2014 at 21:01

As I've said in previous threads this problem cannot be fixed as long as players can leave a CW when they don't like the picks without consequence. Which is why there needs to be a change to CW picking.

One possible idea
http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=7852 Team Swapping as proposed by Pulse


Also will people please stop using this terrible "these combos are possible to beat" argument? It's insufferable. No one denies they can be beaten but everyone is smart enough to realize that a team with these combos has an advantage.

Leaving CW's when not liking picks is kinda faggy don't you think and clans gain bad reputation because of that over time. Like CT right here. Although I agree its unstoppable and sad atm.

These combos are beatable yes, and the team that has it obtains an advantage. Which is why you should pick it or pick your best country of suiting and deal with a strong combo. One or the other. Problem is people try to have both by exploiting the non existent "no uk germ" rule. Which is the aim of my own thread man I'm tired of everyone getting it except a few people who tend to ruin the fun for all in CWs.


EDIT: I don't support team swapping anymore because this still discourages being versatile/adaptable and being able to play in every situation. I got Germany (my worst country) past two cws and have dealt with it. "Oh ill just pick UK first pick and give it to our OP west. I don't need to learn UK as long as I have OP west in clan". Besides, whats the fun in memorizing specific situations for specific countries you can swap? The randomness is often good.

If u dont like it dont cw us when there will be some clan members to cw that dont support ur pick idea.