Operation Storm 1995. - FREEDOM OF CROATIA

Since Tito made a FULL LIE thread about Croatia and Croatian Independence War, I just need to say the truth!
It is obvious that he wants, as every Serb, to make victims (Croatia) look as aggressors (Serbia). Also, you Serbians are already known as population whose national history is plagiarism.
You can change your already fake history facts, but you cannot change Croatian history, especially not by your liefull thread on atWar.

About Tito's (Jedi's) first lie:
Jedi: 'Croatian volunteer rebel army and fascist militia, supported by American Air Force invaded Serbian Republic and ethnically cleansed 250,000 Serbs. The operation was called 'Storm'.'
....Only true thing in your sentence is that operation was called 'Storm'.

NOW THE TRUTH

• What was really Operation Storm?
Operation Storm was a large-scale military operation in which the Croatian army and police (not Croatian rebels and fascist militia as Tito said) liberated the occupied territories under the control of the rebel Serbs, on which was established para-state Republic of Serbian Krajina WITHOUT any international recognition !!!
The operation on this day, 4.8.1995. and has returned to Croatian constitutional and legal system all the occupied territory except Eastern Slavonia. Operation Storm with Operation Flash were key actions that led to the end of the war.
The operation Storm freed 10,400 square kilometers, or 18.4% of total Croatian territory which was occupied by Serbian rebels from Croatia, JNA army (read Serbian army) and other Chetnik and Serbian rebel groups.
IMPORTANT:
By Operation Storm, Croatian army and police stopped sure genocide in Bihać (Bosnia and Herzegovina) that was planned by Serbian rebels and army who had already occupied Bihać.
Need to be mentioned, Serbians made big holocausts over the whole Balkans (Vukovar, Srebrenica, Sarajevo, many others...)

Casualties after Operation Storm that freed Croatia from Serbian rebels:
Croatia - 174 soldiers died, 1100 wounded
Serbia - 410 soldiers died - by HRW (International statistical organisation) and Seriban statistical organisation are saying much bigger number (expected, but it is exaggerating)
Also, during Operation there were collateral victims (as in every army operation). Number of Serbian collateral victims is: 116 by HRW (and 1200 by Serbian statistics - Here you can see how they are forcing those numbers to be bigger)

Operation Storm was the most famous and largest operation of the Croatian Army and one of the symbols of the Croatian Independence War. Although it didnt freed the whole country, Storm is calculated as the end of the war in Croatia, while in Bosnia and Herzegovina it played a key role in releasing Bihać 'pocket'. It has changed the strategic balance of power in the entire territory of the warring in which the Croatian army proved to be a superior military force.
Probably the most important result is defeating the crazy concept of a Greater Serbia on Croatian territory and creating conditions for ending the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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• About 250 000 evacuated Serbs!!!
Despite constant calls of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman to citizens of Serbian nationality to stay in Croatia, which guarantees them full citizenship (!!!!) , the largest number of Serbs at the request of his military and political leadership left Croatia in cars and tractors.
The order on the evacuation of Serbs from was signed by Serbian General Mile Mrksic and Mile Martic (!!!!).
Number of Serb refugees is assessed differently: Croatian sources say the figure of 90,000 people, the UN about 150,000, and the Serbian 200.000-250.000 (Incredibly pumped number again).

About the organized evacuation testified one of the Croatian Serb rebel leader Milan Babic on May 9, 1995.
Here is statement of that Serbian rebel (!!!!) :
'For me, it seemed astonishing to hear that the Main Staff of the RSK army and President Mile Martić ordered a general evacuation of the Serbian population and the withdrawal of the army on all fronts lines in Knin, Northern Dalmatia and Lika, although on most lines of contact with the Army were not expressed serious combat and the Army is under the previous plan, and should be able to keep the approaches to Knin at least a month in which there were all the necessary conditions'.

To prove all of this, I have Serbian document about evacuation which was signed by Serbian General Mile Mrksic and Mile Martic:

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• Copied message of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman to all Serbian citizens of Croatia:

'Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality from the occupied territories of Knin, Gracac, Lapac, Korenica, Slunj, Glina, Dvor and Petrinja:

Since the failure of all previous attempts, including yesterday's negotiations in Geneva, and the Croatian authorities and the international community for the peaceful reintegration of the Croatian occupied territories; As the originators of the rebellion in Croatia, Martic and others., Instead of responding to the call for peaceful reintegration, continue the war against the Croatian state, and along with the ringleaders of rebellion in Bosnia, Karadzic and others., Forge new plans for conquest to conquest common safe area of ​​Bihac, what Croatia can not afford; As the Croatian and Bosnian Serbs not only to prevent the return of refugees, but also continue with the persecution of non-Serbs; Since the Serbian extremists from the beginning of rebellion and now, call for help remains of Italian fascism, offering a division of Croatian territory between the Italian and Serbian imperialism; Since rambunctious paramilitary Serbian troops, and still commit terrorist attacks on the civilian population from Slavonia to Dalmatia, Croatia shelled areas and cities of Otocac, Gospic, Karlovac, even while in Geneva with Croatian delegation lead political discussions on the peaceful reintegration, again bombarded and the area of ​​Dubrovnik where they dropped a new human victims; And since all the attempts, the Croatian state and the international community to revolt alienated parts of Croatian territory to be peacefully returned under Croatian sovereignty were abandoned and cheated, Croatia is a country forced to take the military steps to activate the aforementioned occupied territories in its constitutional and legal system.

We are forced to such a decision so that, after four years of futile negotiations put an end to the further playing the Croatian and international public and to ensure the beginning of the return of displaced persons to their homes. Therefore, on behalf of the Croatian democratic government: I call on members of Serbian paramilitary units, who have voluntarily or forcibly mobilized in paramilitary Serbian troops to surrender their weapons to the Croatian authorities with a guarantee that they will be bestowed amnesty under Croatian laws. I call on the initiators of the rebellion to realize the futility of their venture and its harmfulness for the Serbian community in Croatia, if they persist in rebellion, to surrender to Croatian authorities and accept forgiveness and a fair trial for their transgressions. I invite the Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality who have not actively participated in the revolt, to remain in their homes, and without fear for their lives and their property, welcome the Croatian authorities, with the guarantee that they will be given full citizenship rights and allow elections for the local government to Croatian Constitution and Constitutional Law in the presence of international observers.

I invite the representatives of Serbia and Montenegro (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and their) to stop supporting extremists from the occupied Croatian territory, which was evident at yesterday's Geneva talks in which he participated and the Yugoslav Charge d'Affaires when Croatian Serbs refused to accept the peaceful reintegration of the occupied territories. That would be a first step towards a general solution to the Croatian-Serbian relations on the whole interest-space two adjacent nations, and the normalization of relations on the basis of international recognition. We are determined to end the suffering and uncertainty of Croatian refugees from the occupied territories, and that the Croatian Serbs, guaranteed human and ethnic rights in the constitutional and legal order of the Croatian Democratic.'

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• Serbian revenges for after losing a war:
Note: THIS IS INCOMPLETE LIST !
Serbian rebels did incredibly many revenges on civil things during whole war, but those ones are after they realized that war is over and that their dark plan is down:
4th of August:
The rebel Croatian Serbs attacked civilian targets in Sisak, Sibenik, Otocac, Gospic, Ogulin.
5th of August:
Bosnian Serbs rocketed the hope. Serbs from eastern Herzegovina shelled the Dubrovnik area. The rebel Croatian Serbs from the occupied Croatian Danube rocketed the Osijek, Vinkovci and Nuštar. The rebel Croatian Serbs from Kordun stoned Karlovac. Many religious objects were shot.
6th of August:
Serbian air force planes from BiH in Banja Luka attacked several Croatian towns, where they killed two and injured 11 people. While the Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina aircraft rocketed Mačkovac and Savski Bok, Croatian air defense collapsed their two aircraft.

Also, this has to be mentioned so you know the difference between Croatians and Serbians, during Operation Storm Croatian forces havent destroyed any religious (Orthodox) facility, while Serbian forces destroyed 1450 Croatian churches and 1100 Bosnian mosques

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• World army experts and veterans about Operation Strom:
I am not going to copy all the words of them, but they are marking it as one of the one of the most professional worked military actions in 20th century with minimal civilian losses !!!

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• Croatian generals from Operation Storm:
All Croatian generals from Operation Storm who were in The Hague tribunal were acquitted of any charges and released.
It was the legal confirmation that Operation Storm was done on the most proffessional level.

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Whatsmore, Croatian forces are not fascist, I please Tito to stop talking crap, but really. Those amount of lies are starting to be fucking annoying.

For last, some pictures about humantiy and proffesionalism of Croatian soldiers and about their happiness for finally having their free and independent country:
Helping old people


A little kid with his father on airport before he gone in the Operation Storm


Croatian soldier praying in the church that was devastated by Serbian rebels


Croatian soldier saving a kid from granades

Nero this is what you support?

serbian woman choking croatian soldier, SERBIA STOP BEING WARCRIMINAL !!!!

Yeah on her forehead i can see she is serbian

نوشتع شده توسط Rodick, 04.08.2015 at 11:00

Man,
You are posting a video of 505th Bosnian muslim brigade called 'Ramze' who killed Serbian soldiers.

Whatsmore, I need to add this on your video, after that crime of Bosnian soldiers, Serbians killed 10 Serbian (!!) mentally damaged people from hospital in city called Dvor na Uni, so it looks like Bosnian and Croatian forces did that.
It is just proving that collateral victims are in every war, individual and illegal crimes in wars were done by every side and those individuals have to be sentenced.
That is not allowing you to generalise.

+ please learn to use quote button because you are spamming separated comments and messing the thread.

If you dont understand something or you still want to post dumb videos and comments, read my thread.
If you still want to post something, read it again. All is explained.

I dont need any more of your comments, thanks

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 04.08.2015 at 11:17

نوشتع شده توسط Rodick, 04.08.2015 at 11:00

Man,
You are posting a video of 505th Bosnian muslim brigade called 'Ramze' who killed Serbian soldiers.

Whatsmore, I need to add this on your video, after that crime of Bosnian soldiers, Serbians killed 10 Serbian (!!) mentally damaged people from hospital in city called Dvor na Uni, so it looks like Bosnian and Croatian forces did that.
It is just proving that collateral victims are in every war, individual and illegal crimes in wars were done by every side and those individuals have to be sentenced.
That is not allowing you to generalise.

+ please learn to use quote button because you are spamming separated comments and messing the thread.

If you dont understand something or you still want to post dumb videos and comments, read my thread.
If you still want to post something, read it again. All is explained.

I dont need any more of your comments, thanks

A bosnian friend in real life told me his father was like a leader for one of bosnian muslim ar units

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.08.2015 at 11:30

But irony is how Serb is speaking about killing innocent soldiers and victims... Dude, if I start speaking about innocents that were killed by Serbians, I wont be able to stop until next morning..

Croatian fascists invented alternative history and they implemented in in Croatian modern state and school system to be taught. Thats why whole Croatian population is learning distorted history for 20 years sadly.

Same happened to Estonia and Lithuania after USSR. They are boasting nazism and Baltic Nazi armies while condemning communism and Russians. Funny thing is that Baltic states brag how they are democratic and free while they oppress 1 million Russian population on Baltic. Russians in Baltic dont have IDs, passports, basic paperwork and neither basic human rights. Why West ignore that?

The only reason why America and Europe are constantly lying so much and brainwashing civilians like Raskolnikov/Croat/Oluja 1995 is because they need 'drones' to invade the East. America already positioned its military bases around Russia, brought anthrax in 120 laboratories in Georgia and Korea (coincidence those states border Russia). Everything is set for invasion.

Another Balkan war is breaking out in the atwar forum

Forgot to mention that Croatia in WW2 formed Croatian Legion of 10,000 men to invade Russia with Germany. They traveled 2,000km to reach some country that never threatened or hurt Croatia. They participated in Battle of Stalingrad and their bones still lie in Russia, 2000 kilometers from their homes.

Also numbers spoke, it is ultimate proof. Generally speaking; Croats killed 1 million Serbs in 20th century, Serbs kill 10,000 Croats. How can Serbs be evil? That doesnt make logic and sense. You can never ever never hide these numbers as whole world(beside Europe and America) know it.

Better accept it and try to be sorry, then you can move on and establish better relations with your neighbors.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 04.08.2015 at 12:10

Croats killed 1 million Serbs in 20th century, Serbs kill 10,000 Croats.

Omg not again your numbers

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 04.08.2015 at 12:22

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 04.08.2015 at 12:10

Croats killed 1 million Serbs in 20th century, Serbs kill 10,000 Croats.

Omg not again your numbers

Please just don't you share us your stats. That Serbs while retreating they somehow tripped them selves and died with wounds

نوشتع شده توسط Rodick, 04.08.2015 at 12:33

Please just don't you share us your stats. That Serbs while retreating they somehow tripped them selves and died with wounds

Mine stats?
Learn to read, it is HRW's statistics and I even compared it with Serbian ones so people can see how big is difference

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 04.08.2015 at 12:38

نوشتع شده توسط Rodick, 04.08.2015 at 12:33

Please just don't you share us your stats. That Serbs while retreating they somehow tripped them selves and died with wounds

Mine stats?
Learn to read, it is HRW's statistics and I even compared it with Serbian ones so people can see how big is difference

Yeah like we don't know stats how many people register in our Country in State Administrations.

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 04.08.2015 at 11:50

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 04.08.2015 at 11:30

But irony is how Serb is speaking about killing innocent soldiers and victims... Dude, if I start speaking about innocents that were killed by Serbians, I wont be able to stop until next morning..

i knoe man it can go on for days lol

Between 1,300,000 and 1,700,000 Serbs died in WW2. We can never know exact number because 90% of Serbs lived in small vilages, so when Croatian fascists attacked and killed them there was no one to testify. Then village next to it destroyed, then another and another and no one left to alive to report exact number.

between 100,000 and 150,000 killed by Germans and Albanians in Serbia (civilians)
between 200,000 and 300,000 killed in combat (soldiers)
between 1,000,000 and 1,500,000 killed by Croats in Croatia and Bosnia (occupied by Croatia)

Only in one death camp croatian fascists killed 700,000 of them!



2,000,000 Serbs lived in Croatia and Bosnia in 1940
1,000,000 numbered in 1946
500,000 in Croatia 1990
180,000 in Croatia 2010

Croatia had second largest Death Camp, called Yasenovats (croat: Jasenovac). Croatian fascists planned and killed 700,000 Serbs and smaller number of Jews and Romanis.

Croatia also had special camps for children, i think Germany didnt had death camps for children.

And then comes 1995, 50 years after WW2 and Croatia do it again! 250,000 ethnically cleansed from Croatia! In the modern era! Information Era! Digital Era! It is unbelievable with such technology we achieved that barbarism and violence can happen!

Why do you ignore that and deny? Why do you make up numbers and stories? Thats sick! Why you deny the horrors of WW2 and Yugoslav Civil War?!

Even Germany admitted crimes and atrocities it did and payed reparations. Now Germany is respected country in International Community. Cant you do the same?

They simple don't want to see as that! 'merica is always right what they say, so what 'merica says 'roats will do.

Ahh tito is another one of those retards.

lets just skimm over the facts first,you claim that what,1 000 000 serbs were killed in jasenovac right? well thats simply impossible,currently official number for jasenovac is 52 900 dead,estimated 24 000 serbs,main evidence for such a number is the actual jasenovac documents from inside the camp,number of dead bodies recovered and the most compelling evidence the demographics,number of serbs in NDH area before and after wwii is nearly unchanged and yet you claim 1000000 deaths? now if you need the sources for my numbers and claims i will happily post links and meanwhile i ask for sources on your numbers and claim but i already know there is 0 reliable sources for it,in fact there is only 2 sources that claim number higher then 300 000,one is jasenovac memorial page which admins are consisted of serbs and jews and there is another jewish source,other then those 2,there is none,on the other hand you literaly have hundreds and hundreds of sources stating 50 000 to 80 000 total deaths in jasenovac and about 240 000 in entire NDH

From a neutral non bias persons opinion Tito's logic < Oluja 1995. logic. And yes u can clearly see the Serbians over reacted when saying how many died.

نوشتع شده توسط Emperor Lelouch, 05.08.2015 at 01:00

From a neutral non bias persons opinion Tito's logic < Oluja 1995. logic. And yes u can clearly see the Serbians over reacted when saying how many died.

There cannot be overreaction when you calculate numbers and compare them to population:

in 1941 there was 3 million Croats (from them 100,000 right wing extremists). Serbs had 6 million people and of them around 50,000 right wing extremists in WW2. Most of Serbian extremists were from Montenegro, which was part of Serbia but today it is independent and they denounce Serbia so we can freely say it was Montenegrins who were right wing extremists and not Serbs.

There is connection between Holocaust in Croatia 1941 and ethnic cleansing in Croatia 1995. First 1 million killed and then 50 years later 250,000 ethnically cleansed. It is pure genocide in 20th century, planned attacks to eradicate whole ethnic group from one country.

Just because Croatia and Serbia have puppet governments today and are colonized by the West doesnt mean Holocaust didnt happen because their governments deny some facts and rewrite history. We acknowledged long time ago that West is distorting history to suits their geopolitical goals.


p.s.
funny how you call me old name from 2013 i wore short time but you call Raskolnikov/Croat his new name he wear 3 days

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 05.08.2015 at 04:27

نوشتع شده توسط Emperor Lelouch, 05.08.2015 at 01:00

From a neutral non bias persons opinion Tito's logic < Oluja 1995. logic. And yes u can clearly see the Serbians over reacted when saying how many died.

There cannot be overreaction when you calculate numbers and compare them to population:

in 1941 there was 3 million Croats (from them 100,000 right wing extremists). Serbs had 6 million people and of them around 50,000 right wing extremists in WW2. Most of Serbian extremists were from Montenegro, which was part of Serbia but today it is independent and they denounce Serbia so we can freely say it was Montenegrins who were right wing extremists and not Serbs.

There is connection between Holocaust in Croatia 1941 and ethnic cleansing in Croatia 1995. First 1 million killed and then 50 years later 250,000 ethnically cleansed. It is pure genocide in 20th century, planned attacks to eradicate whole ethnic group from one country.

Just because Croatia and Serbia have puppet governments today and are colonized by the West doesnt mean Holocaust didnt happen because their governments deny some facts and rewrite history. We acknowledged long time ago that West is distorting history to suits their geopolitical goals.


p.s.
funny how you call me old name from 2013 i wore short time but you call Raskolnikov/Croat his new name he wear 3 days

i see you keep avoiding to answer me XD give us some evidences of your 1 million claim,i know there is none. 250 000 were not ethnicaly cleansed,they infact ran away,ones that didnt folow milosevics orderd and stayed still live in croatia,international courte of justice found croatia innocent of such a crime,you can while all day long but it wont change the facts.

ps. funny how you blaim it all on montenegrins,didnt you call them serbs in another post anyway though?

نوشتع شده توسط Evic, 05.08.2015 at 04:36

i see you keep avoiding to answer me XD give us some evidences of your 1 million claim

It is not my claim, it is worldwide accepted truth. Modern revisionism cannot beat facts:



Other yugoslav regions didnt had civilian non-serb casualties or had minor village skirmishes. So we know who these 1,400,000 killed are.

Revisionism





Communist Yugoslavia say 700,000, Croatia say 500,000 and 50 years later then reduce the number. Obvious political goal behind it. Pushed by greed and interest. Soon they will reduce it to 50,000 and then 10,000 and after 100 years they will completely deny Holocaust in Croatia. Victism will be forgoten.









If they acknowledge 700,000 to 800,000 killed in only one death camp, thats half of Serbs cilivilians killed in WW2, which mean other half(according to statistic of 1.4 million) is killed all throughout Croatia which is logical. Or if 1 million is killed overall that mean 200,000 are killed outside Croatian Death Camp. Which is more logical and acceptable.

I dont know why you support revisionism. It is sad Era of the West today, when they accept revisionism and propaganda to suits their geopolitical interest. It hurts many nations you know. It creates war and violence. You might be the cause of it.

Or maybe isnt sad era of the west... wait a minute... West genocided American Natives and had colonized 3/4 of the World! OMG!

Trail of Tears! Of course how can i be so stupid... im searching for logic and reason from people of the West...

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 05.08.2015 at 05:03

> Uses only wikipedia for arguments
> Whatsmore, uses Serbian wikipedia

XA

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 05.08.2015 at 05:53

> Uses only wikipedia for arguments
> Whatsmore, uses Serbian wikipedia

XA

Serbian? On English? I thought Serbs speak Serbian, not English. Or am i missing something like India speaking English?

the funny part is that almast all of these are from serbian sources so dont try to say its some fishy croatian research

نوشتع شده توسط Croat, 04.08.2015 at 10:18

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نوشتع شده توسط Evic, 05.08.2015 at 00:37

Ahh tito is another one of those retards.

lets just skimm over the facts first,you claim that what,1 000 000 serbs were killed in jasenovac right? well thats simply impossible,currently official number for jasenovac is 52 900 dead,estimated 24 000 serbs,main evidence for such a number is the actual jasenovac documents from inside the camp,number of dead bodies recovered and the most compelling evidence the demographics,number of serbs in NDH area before and after wwii is nearly unchanged and yet you claim 1000000 deaths? now if you need the sources for my numbers and claims i will happily post links and meanwhile i ask for sources on your numbers and claim but i already know there is 0 reliable sources for it,in fact there is only 2 sources that claim number higher then 300 000,one is jasenovac memorial page which admins are consisted of serbs and jews and there is another jewish source,other then those 2,there is none,on the other hand you literaly have hundreds and hundreds of sources stating 50 000 to 80 000 total deaths in jasenovac and about 240 000 in entire NDH

Do you have some kind of retardation?

This thread is so stupidly patriotic only thing I read from it is bla bla hail croatia fuck Serbia.




It's stupid to claim the Croatian soldiers were the only ones to act professionaly by saving civilians and small children etc, even though I think Serbia committed war crimes such as Ethnic Cleansings and stuff, it's stupid to claim no Serbian soldier helped a single civilian or children, for how rebel or non rebel it was, because I'm sure some croatian soldiers committed revenge on serbian populations (at least extremists).
There were errors from both sides, even though Serbia committed the biggest and the most, we can also see Serbia is making an effort to victimise itself by inflating the numbers of statistics given by neutral positions.

Mods, close this thread or these Croat/Serbs will choke on their foolish nationalism and anti-each other bullcrap.


Cheers.



Also, nice tits, even if you fail at killing each other, you Yugoslavians have some fine girls