Athiest

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 22.02.2017 at 01:35

Ive read the Epic of Ghilghamesh and I was surprised to find out a flood there (in a writing older than the Old Testament!), getting deeper into the matter I also found out that that flood happened, but in Levant region and stories circulated abt a man who survived along with his family and lots of animals, from here and its integration into the Decalogue by Moses and Noah into the line of Adam there was only one step. More or less, the Decalogue is a collage of hit myths and things necessary and useful for the new people of Jews(+ obviously, the Law). And only one man to do that, in the time of peregrination, rioting and the from time to time habit of creating golden idols for worship of this people, ask me and its quite remarkable of what Moses did. Now dont take the Genesis literally, as you himself said. There are actually ppl who believe that the Earth is 6k old, fck the fossils and the other myriad of contrary proofs. XD

Almost all ancient civilizations have stories and written text about great flood.. because it happened, its history.

Fossils tells us how old we are? ...really... some senile old scientists told on TV we are 3 billion years old planet and you believe it, no testing. And then religion is mocked. Epic.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 09:15

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Christianity: Catholics, Protestants (Lutherans, Calvinists, etc.), Orthodox (different national/regional variations) and Evangelicals (different churches).
They often deny that members of certain other branches are Christians. Like yourself.
End.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 09:23

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 22.02.2017 at 01:35

Almost all ancient civilizations have stories and written text about great flood.. because it happened, its history.

Fossils tells us how old we are? ...really... some senile old scientists told on TV we are 3 billion years old planet and you believe it, no testing. And then religion is mocked. Epic.

Man, if you test those fossils they are millions of years old and I don't mock religion, I just think you must not take ad litteram the Pentateuch, especially the book of Genesis, think of the Genesis as a grand metaphor for the Creation, which, honestly idk how it happened or when, there are theories like Big-Bang, but they are theories, you can't know for sure, but you mentioned earlier the sheeps, I strongly believe that you can have a beautiful life as a sheep, if you choose to believe ad litteram all the Pentateuch, you will live happy, as they say, Ignorance is bliss. But well, I cannot be that way, As Roai said, it's a good story and many ancient myths and legends have but a grain of truth, everything else is made up. I believe that grain of truth exists somewhere and if you have a developed critical eye, you will search for it till' u die, there's no other option for us, the rest. And not only the senile tell about such theories, if it were this way, this theory would've been since long discredited.
Cheers

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 09:15

I was expecting some 9gag pic from you..

You are wrong with all you've mentioned:

1. Christianity is true religion - no other proved to have living God, all others pray to dead things like totems and idols
2. Colonialism was spread by catholic countries, not christian. Do not mix Christianity with Catholicism as Catholicism is new religion formed by people who broke off with Christianity in 1054 because they wanted gold, power and sheeps to control. In christianity you don't have a pope, or one leader, but a council of patriarchs who choose representative 'First among Equals' as we all know who is the leader and that is God so cannot be human.

There's only 1 group of people who broke off christianity and they are 'old believers' in Russia who use old calendar and church prayers from the time when Russian church modernized in 1600, i never heard for any group that broke off Bulgarian, Serbian or Greek christianity, while there are many groups which broke from Catholicism when they saw how oppressive and violent it is: Protestants, baptists, presbyterians, mormons.

Catholicism have a bank, a state called Vatican, army called Jesuits, they are fully fledged power like ISIS. No other religion have that i believe, certainly not Christianity, where monks dont leave their monasteries and priests only give advises and not rulebooks and sell sin-free certificates like catholics.

That is the basic things people make mistake and repeat your words for hundred years by now.

Sorry but i was born and raised as a christian and had to go to mass as a kid and all that nonsense. But i am completely unaware of any tangible proof of a living god. Feel free to enlighten me as to what this proof was/is.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

I doubt the atheist scene in Russia or Serbia is as agressive as you say. For the atheist community to be as vocal as in US/Europe you need to have a solid backround of freedom of speech and information and a liberal socially progressive base, both things that modern Russia lack.

Russia and Eastern Europe have more media freedom and freedom of speech. You can test it by observing the insults, crap and lies they all tell. East Europe is so free they dont even arrest criminals anymore. West still does, hence it is oppressive to group of people in society. In Russia you kill a man and get 1 year warning only, conservatives and patriots complain, but liberals and capitalists boast the system. So you win, Russia have freedom, we lost.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

As for science in christianity, really? Have you actually read the bible and have you passed elementary school physics and biology? The bible got almost everything wrong, even from the start. The sad truth is we dont have to read it all, just from the first pages we can figure out, its just normal men trying to explain the world around them, while knowing so few about it.

I did, and it makes all sense, nothing is strange or confusing there. But you need average knowledge in all topics, atleast average, not only basics to understand. God assumed humans will learn and thus they will understand, but apparenlty humans smoke weed and get dumber from fluoride, all that mixed with alcohol and everyday problems created by society systems make people tired and triggered so they cant focus on studying.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

Examples.

1. The earth is 4000 years old according to the bible. Tons of evidence tell us its billions of years?

Nope, Bible says world is old 6700, idk where you got '4000' number.

Not a single evidence tells us its billions of years. Few bones in the dirt cant prove planet age. Only ignorant masses created by state schooling system believe in that.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

2. Light came before the sun and stars. Lol. Was it god's lamp? Who gave the light if not the stars and sun?

'Who gave the light' the obvious question he asks.

If he created this planet, stars and humans, wouldn't he create light as well? Why is that strange? I already told we still have to test 20% of bible but need more technology, for now we tested sounds and rays, but light need more tech. Wait for it.

God is not using magic, dont fear.. its science, he made a nature's rulebook and he's using it, it's simple. Vibrations, sounds, chemical reactions create light in some cases, but we need to find out which particles.

Even we backwarded humans managed to create light, using bulb and electricity, it's simple. But if you've shown that to a human 1000 years ago, he would laugh at you and then kill you, because he is barbarian and cannot understand that.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

3. Here is the big mind fuck. Earth was created on the 3rd day. Lmao. Get it? 3rd day, as in -> we had days and nights then, even though day and night are dependent on the rotation of that same earth (that wasnt even created yet)

I don't understand what you aiming at. It is well explain, system is set up and planet was created in a day. It cannot be created otherwise.

Scientist Robert Gentry discovered that granite have pollonium in it, and polonium cannot be created by time but only by pressure, thus if granite doesn't have polonium, it wouldn't be granite, but he did, which means granite was created in great speed and pressure - day of planet creation. Granite is not produced in the nature since that day, and humans percieve it as more valuable than other rocks.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

4. Plants grew on the 3rd day before the first sun light came into 4th day. I thought plants needed sun light to grow, i guess science was different back then right?

God created light first... hence plants grew and developed... they had a light already. You really should start reading and thinking, it's like im talking to a 5yo child.

Even i as a farmer use artificial light to grow plants in my backyard, i don't see the big science here, its so easy and understanable...

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

5. Earth was created before the stars and sun But we know that for the earth to take its form and also sustain life, heavier elements were needed like oxygen and carbon and those were a result of stars going supernova, there was literally no other way to get them. So the hundreds of billions of planets that exist in each of the hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe, needed heavy elements from star explosion to be created, but hey NOT EARTH. God created earth specifically with his magic wand xD

I don't see the problem of using elements and resources to build a planet... thats no magic, and humans are close to do it alone. Terraforming...

But ignorant people like you mention magic on every occasion when they do not understand things around them. No wonder you celebrate haloween

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

5. Noahs ark? So many really. 5 million species, not that very easy to smuggle in a boat, aye? Not to mention what kind of rain is needed to fill the whole of earth and cover the mountains. How about how did the water magically dissapeared?

Nope, only 1 species of all races. There were million races of animals and plants before flood, world was perfect, and Noah only took 1 species of them all. That's few hundred (horse and not zebras, dogs and not wolves, cats and not lions etc).

It wasnt rain you know today... it was first rain... not created by weather conditions but by releasing the water above earth to fall on ground. That created the Great Flood. World was back then perfect, no snow, no winter, no rain, no wind. It was a greenhouse. Everything flourished from humans to planets. That's why there were dinosaurs.

When water fell on earth as a rain, it flooded everything, it pushed ground down and up, creating himalayas, urals, caucausus, rocky mountains, grand canyon, marianna valley in pacific. It changed the planet with its force of water. Thats why you see sedimentary rocks (sea rocks) on top of european mountains 1500m above ground. If that happened gradually, those rocks would not hold for that long, but it was almost instantly and aggressive and sea bed became top of the mountains.

Go check mountains and see how earth layers are pressurized into mountain like pancakes, sometimes even vertical, because water pushed them that way. Already posted pics here but i wont waste time on it anymore, this is 3rd time we talk about this.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

6. Bible says there were giants in earth. Lol. How come we have found dinosaur fossils from 200 million years old, but we cant find a single little bone from a giant?

Who says we didnt, google skeletons on Sardinia and Corsica. graveyards of old big people. Nothing special, we've seen it, studied and moved on. Its spectacle for people who didnt knew, like yourself.

They were 4m and around 500kg, why look anything else, nature was perfect back then, food, climate. Now we shrank to 1.7m and 70kg (120kg in america). Instead to live 800 years we live 80 and call that high living standard.

That story how dinosaurs are 200 million years old always makes me laugh. They put few zeros to it and you instantly believe its true. Epic. Thank God car mechanics can't lie you that way, to put different sized screws and parts in your car to earn more, because then your car won't start and he have to repair again. But when we talk about dinos, who cares, just add as many numbers you wish, it won't harm anymore, and you know why? Because there's no mathematic formula.

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 19:49

Honestly its a good book though. Good read, unless you take it literally, then you are possibly crazee. (Quran is worst)


p.s. lol i forgot about that time when a star actually fell from the sky to the earth. Bible says it was a little tiny object that you could hold in your hand..

Bible is meant to be taken literally, but only idiot would go crazy after reading it, i dont know about quran, we're talking about bible now.

If star fell to earth had to go through atmosphere... friction...heat, it lost mass and melted.. fell as a small object... happens all the time even today... its... normal...

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 22.02.2017 at 09:35

Man, if you test those fossils they are millions of years old

Test how? carbon dating? That's busted 20 years ago. Its not only unreliable, but its not even a test for measuring age. it was a big hoax from the start. it always shows different age no matter how time you test one bone, because there's no formula in carbon dating to test it. Just one big lie to satisfy scientific community.

As far as I know carbon dating works on a spawn of a few thousand years, not more. Carbon dating is not a hoax, its used extensively as a solid support for archeology, what are you talking...
Dating I guess, through the geological layers, I am no geologist so dont expect a professional opinion about it...

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 22.02.2017 at 09:41

Sorry but i was born and raised as a christian and had to go to mass as a kid and all that nonsense

Ireland? yep catholicism. As you say you HAD to go, you was forced, while i wasn't. My parents always asked me do i want to go with them to liturgy (christian mass) and i said no, i want to go out play with my friends. And i did, they never forced me anytime, but ask politely, and i always said no. Then i felt how much freedom i have and that my religion is not oppressive, while i've seen what Islam and Catholicism do to their people. Then i realized how we are better then them, we have more freedom given by our religion.

Then when priest come to our home, he talk to by grandparents and parents and i listen, they make jokes, talk about news in the community and then priest ask me do i have to ask anything, and i do ask, about god, creation, armies, devil, hell and he all explain to me. There is no dogma or torturing for asking questions like atheists and fanatics portrair our religion, that's catholicism, they tortured people, not us. When Greeks brought us religion, they did it with word and smile, not sword and fire like poor Mayans, Aztecs and Incas had to experience.

That's the difference between us. You have to, i don't, i have a choice and no one will condemn, judge or punish me for that. Christianity never judged us for drugs, alcohol, cigaretes, prostituion and crime, never punished, it only advise us to stay away from it, and they repeat that like twice a year, not like mantra every day to become propaganda.

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 22.02.2017 at 10:14

As far as I know carbon dating works on a spawn of a few thousand years, not more. Carbon dating is not a hoax, its used extensively as a solid support for archeology, what are you talking...
Dating I guess, through the geological layers, I am no geologist so dont expect a professional opinion about it...

I'll just copy you text of our previous debate.








I studied history, but my friend studied geology and his faculty was next to mine (same university) so i spent alot of time there, listening lectures he attended...

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 10:00

Russia and Eastern Europe have more media freedom and freedom of speech. East Europe is so free they dont even arrest criminals anymore.

Bible says world is old 6700

Not a single evidence tells us its billions of years


If he created this planet, stars and humans, wouldn't he create light as well? Why is that strange?



Even we backwarded humans managed to create light, using bulb and electricity, it's simple.



I don't understand what you aiming at. It is well explain, system is set up and planet was created in a day. It cannot be created otherwise.



God created light first... hence plants grew and developed... they had a light already.


Terraforming...

But ignorant people like you mention magic on every occasion when they do not understand things around them. No wonder you celebrate haloween

Noah only took 1 species of them all. That's few hundred (horse and not zebras, dogs and not wolves, cats and not lions etc).

It wasnt rain you know today... it was first rain... not created by weather conditions but by releasing the water above earth to fall on ground.


it flooded everything, it pushed ground down and up, creating himalayas, urals, caucausus, rocky mountains, grand canyon, marianna valley in pacific.

google skeletons on Sardinia and Corsica. graveyards of old big people.



That story how dinosaurs are 200 million years old always makes me laugh. They put few zeros to it and you instantly believe its true.

Bible is meant to be taken literally, but only idiot would go crazy after reading it,


If star fell to earth had to go through atmosphere... friction...heat, it lost mass and melted.. fell as a small object... happens all the time even today... its... normal...

This is how i feel every time i try to make a serious conversation with you.



If i observe the pattern here, me talking to little dumb kids like you and some others here, for free, spending my valuable time trying to teach you a thing or two and put it against my real life, where i am actually getting paid to teach people stuff (albeit not of this nature, but still) , i can conclude theres something really wrong with me. Why do i do it? Why do i waste my time talking with the likes of you and instead of money i get back insults. I am broken somehow.

10/10 masochist, need to work it out with my psychologist

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 22.02.2017 at 10:43

Idk, liberals... you say they are childish and they reply they are offended. I'll simply stop here, won't continue, even nazis make more sense and you could talk to them, but liberals are too much. Nazis are creating victimhood to justify end but you liberals are literally raping yourself to prove a point.

Has anyone ever thought about so called Noah's Arc story. It does seem a bit far fetched all those elephants, lions and others on a big boat due to water covering the entire planet. If water covered entire planet all vegetation would fail and there would be little photosynthesis only from coral and similar in sea. There would be no oxygen from photosynthesis from trees and other vegetation as these would all have failed due to roots rotting due to all that water according to gardeners AND no vegetation food to feed animals. Noah's Arc? What do you reckon? Nonsense.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 10:10

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 22.02.2017 at 09:35

Man, if you test those fossils they are millions of years old

Test how? carbon dating? That's busted 20 years ago. Its not only unreliable, but its not even a test for measuring age. it was a big hoax from the start. it always shows different age no matter how time you test one bone, because there's no formula in carbon dating to test it. Just one big lie to satisfy scientific community.

Are you retarded or what?
Do you have any sources for what you're saying or are you just making shit up?

Even IF carbon dating was inaccurate WHICH IT EFFING ISNT.
There is still hundreds of thousands of other kinds of evidence suggesting the age of the Earth.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 10:48

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 22.02.2017 at 10:43

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Just a question Tito (mind you, I haven't read everything on this or the religions topic that you and others wrote), do you feel that everything that is said in the bible happened as is? For example, like Genesis which saw the world created in six days and on the seventh the Lord rested. Or take Noah's ark, or the tower of babel, etc. Do you believe all these stories were true or that they were more of just "mythical stories" to provide some foundation for the world? Certainly some aspects of the Bible provide some historical glances into the history of the early Jews and Christians, etc but other parts of it seem to completely crazy (if you will). Not really sure how best to word this so let me know if I need to word it differently

نوشتع شده توسط Pheonixking929, 22.02.2017 at 13:53

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 10:48

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 22.02.2017 at 10:43

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Just a question Tito (mind you, I haven't read everything on this or the religions topic that you and others wrote), do you feel that everything that is said in the bible happened as is? For example, like Genesis which saw the world created in six days and on the seventh the Lord rested. Or take Noah's ark, or the tower of babel, etc. Do you believe all these stories were true or that they were more of just "mythical stories" to provide some foundation for the world? Certainly some aspects of the Bible provide some historical glances into the history of the early Jews and Christians, etc but other parts of it seem to completely crazy (if you will). Not really sure how best to word this so let me know if I need to word it differently

I believe they are true, it is the real history of planet earth, what happened in the past. And for me, it wasn't shock noah's arc, moses sea or creation in 6 days, but stoning to death and bear eating children, but my shock didnt mean its not true.

Even the laws written in the bible are logical, 90% of them are biological, for the health of men, not made by some desire, but pure need, like banning alcohol, meat, and certain animal parts (kosher, but that's compromise since Jews cried for meat in the desert). Even if you think bible is a myth you have to admire those people wrotting it how they knew about illnesses and health so much 2000-3000 years ago.

نوشتع شده توسط Witch-Doctor, 22.02.2017 at 11:04

Are you retarded or what?
Do you have any sources for what you're saying or are you just making shit up?

Even IF carbon dating was inaccurate WHICH IT EFFING ISNT.
There is still hundreds of thousands of other kinds of evidence suggesting the age of the Earth.

Nope, you're just plain stupid. I would say 'go test yourself' but you can't since you're stupid. How do i know you're stupid? Well you use words like shit and effing in the sentence. When you start to behave like a human, i'll stop calling you stupid, but we both know that won't happen, because you're stupid.

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 15:26

نوشتع شده توسط Pheonixking929, 22.02.2017 at 13:53

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 10:48

نوشتع شده توسط Khal.eesi, 22.02.2017 at 10:43

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Just a question Tito (mind you, I haven't read everything on this or the religions topic that you and others wrote), do you feel that everything that is said in the bible happened as is? For example, like Genesis which saw the world created in six days and on the seventh the Lord rested. Or take Noah's ark, or the tower of babel, etc. Do you believe all these stories were true or that they were more of just "mythical stories" to provide some foundation for the world? Certainly some aspects of the Bible provide some historical glances into the history of the early Jews and Christians, etc but other parts of it seem to completely crazy (if you will). Not really sure how best to word this so let me know if I need to word it differently

I believe they are true, it is the real history of planet earth, what happened in the past. And for me, it wasn't shock noah's arc, moses sea or creation in 6 days, but stoning to death and bear eating children, but my shock didnt mean its not true.

Even the laws written in the bible are logical, 90% of them are biological, for the health of men, not made by some desire, but pure need, like banning alcohol, meat, and certain animal parts (kosher, but that's compromise since Jews cried for meat in the desert). Even if you think bible is a myth you have to admire those people wrotting it how they knew about illnesses and health so much 2000-3000 years ago.

Just further question because I'm not as familiar with Eastern Orthodox as I am with Catholicism and some forms of Protestantism, your belief in the validity of the Bible is just a personal belief or one shared by much of the Orthodox faithful and clergy? I ask simply because I know other Christians who would say that parts of the bible, such as the bear eating (I think quite a few) children, it was more of a moral lesson than an actual tale (kinda like a parable?).

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 15:30

نوشتع شده توسط Witch-Doctor, 22.02.2017 at 11:04

Nope, you're just plain stupid. I would say 'go test yourself' but you can't since you're stupid. How do i know you're stupid? Well you use words like shit and effing in the sentence. When you start to behave like a human, i'll stop calling you stupid, but we both know that won't happen, because you're stupid.

Honestly get a STEM field degree before you start debating science.

نوشتع شده توسط Witch-Doctor, 22.02.2017 at 16:10

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 15:30

نوشتع شده توسط Witch-Doctor, 22.02.2017 at 11:04

Nope, you're just plain stupid. I would say 'go test yourself' but you can't since you're stupid. How do i know you're stupid? Well you use words like shit and effing in the sentence. When you start to behave like a human, i'll stop calling you stupid, but we both know that won't happen, because you're stupid.

Honestly get a STEM field degree before you start debating science.

>pseudoscience jargon
>i posted argument from US scientist
>he tells me to get STEM degree before debating science

I'll just reply to you to get a manners and behaviour school diploma before meeting people.


p.s.
>says scientists search for thalium 207
>returns back to start U238

نوشتع شده توسط Pheonixking929, 22.02.2017 at 16:03

Just further question because I'm not as familiar with Eastern Orthodox as I am with Catholicism and some forms of Protestantism, your belief in the validity of the Bible is just a personal belief or one shared by much of the Orthodox faithful and clergy? I ask simply because I know other Christians who would say that parts of the bible, such as the bear eating (I think quite a few) children, it was more of a moral lesson than an actual tale (kinda like a parable?).

It's common in our religion and clergy. There is no individuality here like you can find in the west, and/or compare it. And usually those who 'deviate' are minorities like protestants and catholics, and im not talking about old ones, but new young people who 'experiment' with religions. They either choose protestantism, scientology or slavic paganism, and then change it like atwar players change clans. So they neither harm the majority (christians) neither majority take away their freedom, although police raid scientology often to search for child pornography, but never protestants or pagans.

But you shouldn't think that all Slavs or Eastern Europeans are religious, as communism created many atheists (without proof there is no god), so now only 50% returned to religion, roughly, generally speaking. Half of other population is still atheist, do not attend church, or declare they are 'spiritual' not religious, but that's a vague term even they don't know how to explain it.

Also interesting trivia is that cities in Eastern Europe & Russia are more religious than villages, because 100 years ago and before, villages were centers of conservativism and religion, while cities were centers of liberalism and atheism. Now situation changed upside down, where peasants are still brutal but liberal and atheists while city dwellers became conservative and religious. That is because communism tried to create 'new society' and fucked up classes and way of life, bringing peasants to live in cities while not sending townfolks to farms, so peasants in villages remained the same, just communists brainwashed them with atheism, destroying churches and killing priests, and those peasants who moved in the city became majority, thus bringing their peasant culture to town. But when communism fell, townfolk culture started to return and push out peasant culture in town, although peasants are still majority here. They rebuilt churches and restarted religion again, while villages remained backward and brainwashed with atheism.

That's why our liberals and atheists are not the same as Western liberal and atheists, and therefore our war/argument with them cannot be the same, we have to combat them differently as they themselves are different.

ITT: People not realizing that Christian fundamentalism is a modern invention. Augustine (300 AD) would have scoffed at anyone who considered Genesis a literal account of creation

To convince anyone of anything you need proof.
The proof of a god or creator or deity up to date does not exist.
If you want anyone with half a mind do belive your nonsense fetch some proof.
just because we dont have an answer for the creation of the world that is rock solid does not mean god exists.

نوشتع شده توسط 1GodofWar1, 22.02.2017 at 22:43

To convince anyone of anything you need proof.
The proof of a god or creator or deity up to date does not exist.
If you want anyone with half a mind do belive your nonsense fetch some proof.
just because we dont have an answer for the creation of the world that is rock solid does not mean god exists.

Watch out!

We got an agnostic over here!

Also I'm appalled at the people that equate atheism/agnosticism with satanism... I mean, really?
That is the stance of the Church and the Islam Clerics "If you're not with me, you're against me"

Also religion is the stupidest thing to exist. Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism all say that there is One Big Guy in the Sky. They just differ on either their prophets, or their methods.

Islam goes Jesus was a prophet but Muhammed was the last prophet. Also, we're pro-peace. Islam is the most peacefullest religion of them all.
P.S: ALLAHU AKBAR!!

Christianity goes Jesus was the last, best and greatestest prophet of them all, and if you say otherwise your soul will burn in hell and you're an unbeliever.

Catholicism says Jesus was the amazingest, kindest, coolest homie last prophet, and if you don't convert we'll burn you at the stake as a heretic/witch and you'll burn even more in hell so gg no re.

Judaism says Jesus was a pretender not a prophet, and his magic tricks need some work to fool us kikes. Also, just saying, Christians are morons. Oh and by the way, you need to have the tip of your penis cut off in front of a whole congregation when you're a baby, possibly traumatizing you for life, but eh, tough cookie.

The only 2 religions I can somewhat tolerate are Hinduism and Buddhism. Because neither of them are propagated by war (Christianity promoted Colonialism so that they could being more people to worshipping 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for Mankind' and save more souls. How fucking benevolent).

We'd all be better off without religion, but particularly monotheism because have you noticed that practically all the conflict is arising from deciding which religion worships the One True God?

نوشتع شده توسط Darth., 23.02.2017 at 03:27

Also I'm appalled at the people that equate atheism/agnosticism with satanism... I mean, really?
That is the stance of the Church and the Islam Clerics "If you're not with me, you're against me"

Also religion is the stupidest thing to exist. Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism all say that there is One Big Guy in the Sky. They just differ on either their prophets, or their methods.

Islam goes Jesus was a prophet but Muhammed was the last prophet. Also, we're pro-peace. Islam is the most peacefullest religion of them all.
P.S: ALLAHU AKBAR!!

Christianity goes Jesus was the last, best and greatestest prophet of them all, and if you say otherwise your soul will burn in hell and you're an unbeliever.

Catholicism says Jesus was the amazingest, kindest, coolest homie last prophet, and if you don't convert we'll burn you at the stake as a heretic/witch and you'll burn even more in hell so gg no re.

Judaism says Jesus was a pretender not a prophet, and his magic tricks need some work to fool us kikes. Also, just saying, Christians are morons. Oh and by the way, you need to have the tip of your penis cut off in front of a whole congregation when you're a baby, possibly traumatizing you for life, but eh, tough cookie.

The only 2 religions I can somewhat tolerate are Hinduism and Buddhism. Because neither of them are propagated by war (Christianity promoted Colonialism so that they could being more people to worshipping 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for Mankind' and save more souls. How fucking benevolent).

We'd all be better off without religion, but particularly monotheism because have you noticed that practically all the conflict is arising from deciding which religion worships the One True God?

Meanwhile you have 330 million gods. oh and btw. I love how you say Allahu Akbar because youre praising Allah by saying "Allah is the greatest" its funny when people think Allahu Akbar is an offensive word and they tend to make joke out of it turns out theyre saying Allah is great

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 23.02.2017 at 06:44

Meanwhile you have 330 million gods. oh and btw. I love how you say Allahu Akbar because youre praising Allah by saying "Allah is the greatest" its funny when people think Allahu Akbar is an offensive word and they tend to make joke out of it turns out theyre saying Allah is great

I know what Allahu Akbar means lol. Doesn't change the fact that it's been twisted to become the face of terrorism

نوشتع شده توسط Darth., 23.02.2017 at 06:56

نوشتع شده توسط Guest, 23.02.2017 at 06:44

Meanwhile you have 330 million gods. oh and btw. I love how you say Allahu Akbar because youre praising Allah by saying "Allah is the greatest" its funny when people think Allahu Akbar is an offensive word and they tend to make joke out of it turns out theyre saying Allah is great

I know what Allahu Akbar means lol. Doesn't change the fact that it's been twisted to become the face of terrorism

Yeah. I remembered when only muslim use those words. Now other people from other religion are using it. Which is a great thing. Allah is my lord and your Lord and He deserved to be praised and worshipped

نوشتع شده توسط Darth., 23.02.2017 at 03:27

The only 2 religions I can somewhat tolerate are Hinduism and Buddhism. Because neither of them are propagated by war (Christianity promoted Colonialism so that they could being more people to worshipping 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for Mankind' and save more souls. How fucking benevolent).

We'd all be better off without religion, but particularly monotheism because have you noticed that practically all the conflict is arising from deciding which religion worships the One True God?

Nearly cut myself on all that edge. That's a pretty ignorant and distorted worldview you have. Christianity did not promote colonialism, it was used as one of many justifications for it. Colonialism was simply fueled by a desire for wealth, and that desire is areligious.

"Practically all conflict"? Explain to me how the bloodiest world conflicts of the bloodiest century (the 20th century) were predicated on religion. WWI, the Russian Revolution, WWII and the Holocaust, the Chinese Civil War--which religions were responsible for these? Also please explain to me how monotheism is anymore more violent than the polytheistic religions practiced by the Romans or the Vikings, I'd love to hear that one.

نوشتع شده توسط Acquiesce, 22.02.2017 at 22:20

ITT: People not realizing that Christian fundamentalism is a modern invention. Augustine (300 AD) would have scoffed at anyone who considered Genesis a literal account of creation

Your buddies, Augustine and Aquinas on the subject. Respect







P.S. They basically said the same thing, Augustine was obviously an attention whore needing a whole book to express the same sentiments that Aqui did in just 3 lines. Rekt xD

نوشتع شده توسط Skanderbeg, 22.02.2017 at 17:47

نوشتع شده توسط Pheonixking929, 22.02.2017 at 16:03

Just further question because I'm not as familiar with Eastern Orthodox as I am with Catholicism and some forms of Protestantism, your belief in the validity of the Bible is just a personal belief or one shared by much of the Orthodox faithful and clergy? I ask simply because I know other Christians who would say that parts of the bible, such as the bear eating (I think quite a few) children, it was more of a moral lesson than an actual tale (kinda like a parable?).

It's common in our religion and clergy. There is no individuality here like you can find in the west, and/or compare it. And usually those who 'deviate' are minorities like protestants and catholics, and im not talking about old ones, but new young people who 'experiment' with religions. They either choose protestantism, scientology or slavic paganism, and then change it like atwar players change clans. So they neither harm the majority (christians) neither majority take away their freedom, although police raid scientology often to search for child pornography, but never protestants or pagans.

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That's why our liberals and atheists are not the same as Western liberal and atheists, and therefore our war/argument with them cannot be the same, we have to combat them differently as they themselves are different.

Side note: I never thought about the difference between your cities and villages, interesting point made

On to main point: Do you think that West (i.e.. US/Europe) and East (mainly Russia) can ever be "friends" given the differences in culture? You brought up how America has individuality while Russia is more collectivist (not commies, but more as worried about community then themselves), are these "innate differences", if you will, too large to allow for the two to remain at peace? I would say that I personally do distrust Russia, but would admit there does seem to be a large russia phobia in current affairs (like the e-mail hacking, while I believe Russians hacked the DNC, I find it odd they left so much evidence of, makes me wonder if it was a disaffected "mole" who leaked it and then the Russians used the hack to cover this up, much like the Soviet Union did), I don't think it serves the US interest to completely ignore Russia (though I would also say that I think Russia needs to do more with building bridges with the West).


As for your last point (your liberals and atheist are different and need to be combatted differently), what exactly is Russias way of combatting them? Do you view atheist as some sort of fifth column? And can you describe to me what you term as "liberal" as I think we might be going off of two definitions for that word.