RIP Turkey 1923-2018

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 29.06.2018 at 10:09

نوشتع شده توسط Xenosapien, 27.06.2018 at 18:47

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

I would rise up in arms, where is your spine?

I love my people more than I love myself, that's the fucking point of a nation. That's why someone from Trebinje or Čapljina, with whom I didn't had common ancestor for like 700 years is still my brother.

Communists aint brothers

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

you deserve my +1 upvote

Why are people crying so much? People choose who they want to choose.

Erdogan didnt fake voting counts, so who are you to come here and tell the turkish people whats best for them from the other side of the world? lol

I didnt like trump but american people choose him assuming he would be the best candidate ( and probably between him and hilary, he was the best candidate) and i accept it even though i trolled so much about it but i never went like a cry baby in forums and said RIP USA 2018.

Western people think to themselves theyre so advanced, so cultured, that they feel like theyre entitled to judge everything about everyone else. It doesnt work like that , no brainers.

Erdogan is the best solution for turkey and im happy that turkish people decided once again to show the entire retarded (western) world that they are a united people who can decide for themselves instead of voting for america's puppets as PM/president of turkey. I highly doubt portugal media propaganda is as big as to make an influence in western world, but america's media propaganda is and thats whom i blame for making west believe that Erdogan is a "dictator, a sultan or this and that". Too bad for you that people of turkey had a voice and this time it was so loud that everyone heard it. Now accept your humiliation and accept the decidion of a free sovereign nation.





or, you can take the shortcut and blame the russian hackers DDDD
cant believe how many butthurt american retards refused to accept the majority of its nation is racist, and believed a fake story about russian hackers

This discussion is not about telling Turks what is good for them or criticizing them. most of the forum (and the world) don't care for Turkey. Ergdoan is being so widely discussed here and at the media because he plays extreme role charachter of corrupted populist. sure that exists in every nation but the scale and the level of commitment and the desperation for it is what makes Turkish government exceptional. He basically trades his nation ability to govern itself for the hype of crowd that is equilavent to football fans. You an see him and his ministers mocking other nations and people even when situation has nothing to do with it just because they brought themselves to have it as there last and only options. When it gets them into locking your own officers and shutting down the media Ofcourse it can be warning alart to all of us.

But Yeah. If they are so scared of being US's bitches let them Islamise and stuff.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:42

When it gets them into locking your own officers and shutting down the media Ofcourse it can be warning alart to all of us.

the same officers who tried to do a coup on him few years ago and the same medias who were part of the coup? Yea maybe youre right, he should have given them a medal of honor.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:47

But Yeah. If they are so scared of being US's bitches let them Islamise and stuff.

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:31

the same officers who tried to do a coup on him few years ago and the same medias who were part of the coup? Yea maybe youre right, he should have given them a medal of honor.

His raids against media and army had been going for more than a decade. I had turkish friends in 2011 who talked against him trying to become a dictator. You can't justify it with that "massive coup" that happened last year

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:33

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:47

But Yeah. If they are so scared of being US's bitches let them Islamise and stuff.

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

Turkey can not be free nation and govern while its leader ecnourage violent and irrational crowds. the most dangerous thing that can happen to Turkey is the people will expect from its future leaders to be populist violent and toxic like Ergdoan. and he already is trying to brainwash them into his standarts.

Building himself a palace locking his opposition and take physicall actions to kill the left wing and forcing Islamisation is a little to much to make sure Americans will not affect the leaeder while YOU ARE THE LEADER.

I'm not suprised you are trying use feeble argument and make it personal to cover yourself. But AtWar players know I do not shittalk. You on the other hand supported Sadaam Hussein describing him great leade and patriot. Supported Ergdoan willing to ignore all his crimes and dangers. tried to blame the west for ISIS and you still live in the USA despite shittalking about it in every opportunity you have. and no working there and paying taxes for the US does not make it right. You chose to stay there despite all.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:33

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:47

But Yeah. If they are so scared of being US's bitches let them Islamise and stuff.

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

Turkey can not be free nation and govern while its leader ecnourage violent and irrational crowds. the most dangerous thing that can happen to Turkey is the people will expect from its future leaders to be populist violent and toxic like Ergdoan. and he already is trying to brainwash them into his standarts.

Your country is rapid dog of Middle East and you are sayin Turkey and Erdogan is voilent. Very ironic.

نوشتع شده توسط Mussolini1812, 29.06.2018 at 22:11

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:33

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:47

But Yeah. If they are so scared of being US's bitches let them Islamise and stuff.

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

Turkey can not be free nation and govern while its leader ecnourage violent and irrational crowds. the most dangerous thing that can happen to Turkey is the people will expect from its future leaders to be populist violent and toxic like Ergdoan. and he already is trying to brainwash them into his standarts.

Your country is rapid dog of Middle East and you are sayin Turkey and Erdogan is voilent. Very ironic.

Your country is of child rapists.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

But AtWar players know I do not shittalk.

Who

No offense Roai, you're a cute guy and all, but you are as bias as it gets. No matter how many times you say you aren't.

Roai is most reliable player, truth telling wise ! go roai go !!!

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 17:42

This discussion is not about telling Turks what is good for them or criticizing them. most of the forum (and the world) don't care for Turkey. Ergdoan is being so widely discussed here and at the media because he plays extreme role charachter of corrupted populist. sure that exists in every nation but the scale and the level of commitment and the desperation for it is what makes Turkish government exceptional. He basically trades his nation ability to govern itself for the hype of crowd that is equilavent to football fans. You an see him and his ministers mocking other nations and people even when situation has nothing to do with it just because they brought themselves to have it as there last and only options. When it gets them into locking your own officers and shutting down the media Ofcourse it can be warning alart to all of us.

When you aren't locking officers that are loyal to someone or something else but the country you get literally Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 12:17

When you aren't locking officers that are loyal to someone or something else but the country you get literally Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

That is wrong on so many levels that I doubt whether you are serious at this point.

1. Ergdoan demoted Democratic officers since the beginning

2. In the past the Turkish Army intervend only when Turkey falled to hands of a dictator

3. That's not how Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were founded.

4. It's not even about the officers. Ergdoan used every sad moment Turkey had to get rid of teachers cops judges officials and anyone who would not help to direct Turkey into Islam let alone allow it to fall into dictatorship.

5. Put aside Authorities cleaning. He blames everyone who does'nt agree with him for being Israeli agent/ a Nazi. The guy actions are not innocent.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 12:17

When you aren't locking officers that are loyal to someone or something else but the country you get literally Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

That is wrong on so many levels that I doubt whether you are serious at this point.

1. Ergdoan demoted Democratic officers since the beginning

2. In the past the Turkish Army intervend only when Turkey falled to hands of a dictator

3. That's not how Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were founded.

4. It's not even about the officers. Ergdoan used every sad moment Turkey had to get rid of teachers cops judges officials and anyone who would not help to direct Turkey into Islam let alone allow it to fall into dictatorship.

5. Put aside Authorities cleaning. He blames everyone who does'nt agree with him for being Israeli agent/ a Nazi. The guy actions are not innocent.

Just wrote a huge fucking response to you about, turkish democratic party which doesn't exist since 1961, how turkish army destroyed democratically-elected leaders, how Hitler's support structure was literally party's army, and how beside Dr. Goebbels there was no more vital part of Nazi Germany. Same goes for USSR

I wondered what does crescent and star means on Turkish flag

نقل قول:

5. Put aside Authorities cleaning. He blames everyone who does'nt agree with him for being Israeli agent/ a Nazi. The guy actions are not innocent.

Said an Israeli agent

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 16:35

When you speak of past Turkish coups you are mentioning times when Army had to take control because disorder was so deep there actually were raids and mass murder on the streets. I mean come on. I believe that no one here is for military regime but nowdays in places like Central America where authorities lost to cartells everyone would support as temporary solution.

Regarding Germany - Hitler at first realied on local militias and courts that kept him from trouble. But he would not have chance to capture Germany without propoganda maschine. before he was the authority he simply did'nt have the firepower. Russia was captured thanks to the raids of the people.

Eventually even though It stinks to have the Army intervens in Democracy Ergdoan would'nt have reason to worry as long as he was not going to get rid of democractic system in Turkey. But it was his intention and therefore he acted in two ways - cleaning the authorities and directing his people toward his agenda.

نوشتع شده توسط Ruse, 30.06.2018 at 17:17

Damn..most blooded western shitdogs and a jew guy who lives in a terrorist country called 'israel' cares my country more than me, fuck off you idiots stop acting like knowing everything about Turkey, you all know nothing.there are more than %80 voters in this election.you cannot give us democrasy lessons with your %50 average voters count.i dont like erdoğan and his islamic thoughts but hes more democratic than all eu shits do not believe what you hear and read in news who works for imperialists.you do not live in Turkey and you cannot talk shit on our country.stop acting like caring too much for us and democrasy, we know who you are murderer colonist imperialist subhumans..and we dont need your help, we can save our country and liberty.i dont give a fuck about your shitty countries so do not care that much for my shitty country.

I already said most of us don't care for Turkey. people cover it so much/find it intersting is because Ergdoan is a extreme example for a populist that risks his nation future for power and is a modern warning sign to any democratic country. The only reason i bothered to write so much was because I was assaulted by guys like you for speaking my opinion.

Also, Fuck off.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 17:25

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 16:35

When you speak of past Turkish coups you are mentioning times when Army had to take control because disorder was so deep there actually were raids and mass murder on the streets. I mean come on. I believe that no one here is for military regime but nowdays in places like Central America where authorities lost to cartells everyone would support as temporary solution.

first coup was when everything was in order, third coup was staged by military, and they held power for three years

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 17:28

نوشتع شده توسط Ruse, 30.06.2018 at 17:17

Damn..most blooded western shitdogs and a jew guy who lives in a terrorist country called 'israel' cares my country more than me, fuck off you idiots stop acting like knowing everything about Turkey, you all know nothing.there are more than %80 voters in this election.you cannot give us democrasy lessons with your %50 average voters count.i dont like erdoğan and his islamic thoughts but hes more democratic than all eu shits do not believe what you hear and read in news who works for imperialists.you do not live in Turkey and you cannot talk shit on our country.stop acting like caring too much for us and democrasy, we know who you are murderer colonist imperialist subhumans..and we dont need your help, we can save our country and liberty.i dont give a fuck about your shitty countries so do not care that much for my shitty country.

I already said most of us don't care for Turkey. people cover it so much/find it intersting is because Ergdoan is a extreme example for a populist that risks his nation future for power and is a modern warning sign to any democratic country. The only reason i bothered to write so much was because I was assaulted by guys like you for speaking my opinion.

Also, Fuck off.

here comes the true face of a jew

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 17:39

first coup was when everything was in order, third coup was staged by military, and they held power for three years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Menderes

I Don't know much about the History of Turkey but it seems that during Menderes era he failed minorities with the Greek ethnic cleaning. arresting journalists and cancelling seperation between state and religion. while encouraging Islam. while this seperation is what ended the civil war and brought Turkey together I can see why they did it.

Regarding the third coup. That seems complex because even though Turkey was in chaos It seems like the Turkish Generals took advantage of the situation. and I don't have the time to study it (maybe at August). Even though It's nothing like what Turkey is nowdays I will wait to see if someone takes my place and cover that subject.

Turkish imperialist dogs should get out of Syria imo.

نوشتع شده توسط Xenosapien, 30.06.2018 at 18:46

Turkish imperialist dogs should get out of Syria imo.

They litterly stole all Iraq and Syria water drying two of three legendary bibalical rivers

نوشتع شده توسط Black Swans, 29.06.2018 at 10:09

I love my people more than I love myself, that's the fucking point of a nation. That's why someone from Trebinje or Čapljina, with whom I didn't had common ancestor for like 700 years is still my brother.

I'm still waiting for your response to my quote of your wrongfully-based comment

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

Why are people crying so much? People choose who they want to choose.

Where did I contradict that? You jumped to conclusions I'm afraid.

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

Erdogan didnt fake voting counts, so who are you to come here and tell the turkish people whats best for them from the other side of the world? lol

We could argue that he was elected because he's an embodiment of authority, discipline, a new-breeze for the Turkish State and Society, an embodiment of Tranquility in face of a severe migrant crisis and that all of these apparent qualities he displays along with some apparent "independence" and "Everything for Turkey, Nothing against Turkey" type of stances combined with the circunstances of today provided for terrain for him to be elected.

I am a citizen of a Western Atlantic-tilted country that has a more or less worthy turkish community and is member of a supranational organization that has been "negotiating" with EU for years. In a way, Turkish politics concern me as a citizen of a European-nation, especially because of how he was very intelligent enough to cut a nice deal about the migrants with the EU; I'd say the moment anything of the world may hit my sphere of interests in any sort of way, I am entitled to voice-over my disapproval, or approval or neutral stance and it won't be an albanian to tell me what I should, should not or can't say, I'm afraid.

The thing is both you and Black Swans completely missed my point, I pointed out how Erdogan really is, personality traits and stances that don't exactly favour turkey on a long-run and did not mean I told the turks who to elect or what not. Turks are sovereign, or have an apparent sovereignty that enables them to do as they wish. As I said in response to the quote you wished to upvote and Swans chose to ignore, the difference here does not reside on what you think, but on whether you accept it or not, and I accept the democratic results.
A Nation chooses their representatives, and the decision should not reside on anyone else. But do I think he's not good? I certainly do, he's a total jackass who uses the kurds as a scaring-bait to trigger support + has ottomanic ambitions. Do I reject him? No, it's not on me as a Portuguese citizen of a sovereign country, a developed and mature nation in its mystique to decide or tell the turks what to do, I was simply commening on him.

In case you're too trolly as usual to not bother to give a damn to a misjudgement on your behalf: I did not reject him, I accept the result but was exposing Erdogan's traits as a person/politician pretty much

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

I didnt like trump but american people choose him assuming he would be the best candidate ( and probably between him and hilary, he was the best candidate) and i accept it even though i trolled so much about it but i never went like a cry baby in forums and said RIP USA 2018.

Everyone can assess other politicians from other countries based on the globalized information they have, as long as it comes from reliable sources, there's a big difference between discussing a subject and becoming an activist on the subject and acting based on your belief, this was more of a discussion, plain and simply, why would I crybaby about a country other than my own? I know plain freedom of discussion is something that's not quite mature in your rectangle, but on mine is developed enough to allow discussions on subjects if there's information behind them..

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

Western people think to themselves theyre so advanced, so cultured, that they feel like theyre entitled to judge everything about everyone else. It doesnt work like that , no brainers.

"no-brainers" are those who condemn themselves to ignorance and self-centrism and refuse to take a wider note about what's around them just because it's not on their shoulders to have an input, there's absolutely nothing wrong in discussing Erdogan as a Politician or his stances, aslong as we as foreign citizens (and a minority on this game) don't become activists to influence public opinion, like Soros does in Hungary in a way.

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

Erdogan is the best solution for turkey and im happy that turkish people decided once again to show the entire retarded (western) world that they are a united people who can decide for themselves instead of voting for america's puppets as PM/president of turkey. I highly doubt portugal media propaganda is as big as to make an influence in western world, but america's media propaganda is and thats whom i blame for making west believe that Erdogan is a "dictator, a sultan or this and that". Too bad for you that people of turkey had a voice and this time it was so loud that everyone heard it. Now accept your humiliation and accept the decidion of a free sovereign nation.

This is why I sometimes detest going in discussions on AtWar because people tend to be blatantly ignorant and jump to conclusions, I've approached this in this response, should you even bother to employ your literacy to read it fully and I've approached this in the quote Swans ignored, that I accept the results, it's not my duty to elect the President of Turkey, but can be entitlement to discuss him.

This is just like you telling I can't study Albanian Political-Constitutional-Juridical System and give opinions on it because I'm not albanian, where's the bloody logic? Get some notion people, should have read the thread or my responses before jumping to ill-conclusions. Accept your arrogance and base yourself before firing, soldier.

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 17:19

or, you can take the shortcut and blame the russian hackers DDDD
cant believe how many butthurt american retards refused to accept the majority of its nation is racist, and believed a fake story about russian hackers

That's American butthurt left-wing for you gent

نوشتع شده توسط AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:33

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

Don't want to spoil your fun but Albania made a statue of Clinton, if that's not the epithome of being a US Bitch, I don't know what is, it's a ridiculous adoration of a foreign politican at the highest level of stupidity mate, ":)"

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

But AtWar players know I do not shittalk.

Don't want to be rude or anything but you're extremely bias

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

You on the other hand supported Sadaam Hussein describing him great leade and patriot.

The maintenance of Saddam would be more beneficial to the Middle East than his invasion by a culturally-different and unknowing of the middle east foreign power that caused the death of hundreds of thousands and regional regression of decades and amplified an Iranian-Saudi cold-war. You hate him because he hated your country lol

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

Supported Ergdoan willing to ignore all his crimes and dangers.

Even I, that don't adore Erdogan or think he's too edgy to be President think he did very good in purging the State, Armed Forces and Media for their coup fomentation. Those who threaten the normal functioning of the State should be arrested and judged by courts, the coup was a coup even if against erdogan, so on your point of view he should have not arrested them? (Answering this also in response to your previous posts.

If based on your point of view Erdogan is committing Crimes and Dangers then Netanyahu (A total idiot, I could write a whole post about that corrupt hypocritical douchebag) is our modern-day Himmler with the Israelification of Palestine through colonization, the repression and periodical and gradual termination of Palestinians in Gaza claiming them as militants of anti-Israel groups or violating International Law for the periodical attacks on sovereign Syria and act based on edgy casus belli and using inflamatory speeches just because Trump, blind idiot as he is, has your back. If you are to condemn Erdogan, you should condemn your Prime-Minister, and all previous ones, who occupy foreign sovereign land for religious-nationalism (Golan Heights) and thus blatantly violate international law.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

tried to blame the west for ISIS

Except some of the West and Israel are to be blamed for the formation of ISIS? Don't get your point, but your speaking based on your natural bias as citizen of Israel..

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

1. Ergdoan demoted Democratic officers since the beginning

What does that even bloody mean lmao

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

2. In the past the Turkish Army intervend only when Turkey falled to hands of a dictator

That had no logical basis, some say the coup was performed by selective army elites who felt threatened lmao

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

3. That's not how Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were founded.

How corrupt, sad and decadent is your educational system? I don't know how's in there but if you were in University here or even Highschool at 12th grade (where you study 20th Century) you'd fail at History like instantly, that was purely ignorant.

The Soviet Union was built on Armed Forces backed on by illusioned masses (see the composition of the soviets in petrograd and others and you'll realize your mis-information) who did not want to fight a war and saw Marxism(-Leninism) as a way to improve themselves and satisty their interests.

Nazi Germany was literally a party-on-army-wheels, I can't even believe anyone mature as yourself could even say that, Nazi Germany was built severely on a pact between the Army or Paramilitary (Nazi-aligned) Forces and the Party and grew from there..(short story)

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 17:28

Also, Fuck off.

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

But AtWar players know I do not shittalk.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

But AtWar players know I do not shittalk.

Don't want to be rude or anything but you're extremely bias

As far as I understand by shittalking he ment trashing about others. If you think i'm bias your probably right most of the times. I still do try my best to show my point of views because I feel many direction are being ignored and honestly sometimes it seems like people quoting papers.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

You on the other hand supported Sadaam Hussein describing him great leade and patriot.

The maintenance of Saddam would be more beneficial to the Middle East than his invasion by a culturally-different and unknowing of the middle east foreign power that caused the death of hundreds of thousands and regional regression of decades and amplified an Iranian-Saudi cold-war. You hate him because he hated your country lol

I don't hate Sadaam. I mean I do not simpity with him but when I watching him I try to see where he brought Iraq. he had the biggest oil reserves in the world nationalised and he left Iraq poorer than it is now. His fall did bring chaos but It was because he left very unedcuated and poor society and "death to the infidels" idieology. Don't forget that he straved. dried gassed and poisoned his own people and much of the hate and suspecion between minority in Iraq today exists thank to him. same as anti authority and Islamic culture.

Moving on. Sadaam always persuaded power. and in order to fix the economy he would keep to persuade netural resources. If he stayed in power chaos would continue in the Middle East just in national scales.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

Supported Ergdoan willing to ignore all his crimes and dangers.

Even I, that don't adore Erdogan or think he's too edgy to be President think he did very good in purging the State, Armed Forces and Media for their coup fomentation. Those who threaten the normal functioning of the State should be arrested and judged by courts, the coup was a coup even if against erdogan, so on your point of view he should have not arrested them? (Answering this also in response to your previous posts.

Again. You are referring to small scale coup that happened in 2017. Ergdoan was cleaning the authorities from people that do not carry his agenda for more than a decade. If he was'snt willing to change the democratic system he would not have a reason to worry about his army. but he keeps endhavouring to enlarge his power on expense of the media the courts and the parlamint.

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

If based on your point of view Erdogan is committing Crimes and Dangers then Netanyahu (A total idiot, I could write a whole post about that corrupt hypocritical douchebag) is our modern-day Himmler with the Israelification of Palestine through colonization, the repression and periodical and gradual termination of Palestinians in Gaza claiming them as militants of anti-Israel groups or violating International Law for the periodical attacks on sovereign Syria and act based on edgy casus belli and using inflamatory speeches just because Trump, blind idiot as he is, has your back. If you are to condemn Erdogan, you should condemn your Prime-Minister, and all previous ones, who occupy foreign sovereign land for religious-nationalism (Golan Heights) and thus blatantly violate international law.

OK step by step i guess
1. The settlement did not start in Nethanyahu's shift. if any he is the only one who gave upon territories in Judea and Samaria.

2. Israel did not take the Golan for religious and nationalistic ambitions. the Syrians were using the heights of the Golan to target Israeli farmers and town on daily basis. the same thing the Jordanians did in Jerusalem before 67 war.

3. Many people in Israel already criticize Nethanyahu for being similar to Ergdoan. he is just less violent rational and trying to keep discourse sane. but he is the most hated figure in Israel. the only reason he survived so far is because he managed to "buy cheap" abandoned party (The Likud) with huge amount of voters (The leadership of the likud abandoned it to create "super party" (kadyima) and he came back to politics at the time promising to beat them. Kadima falled due corruption and he is doing everything he can to stay in power everysince). last elections he was suppose to lose but instad of letting Yair Lapid beating him the media and the left campaigns desided to bring back the Labour Party. the very thought of having the Labour Party back (the most corrupted party in history of Israel) got the whole Israel low-class to vote for Nethanyahu.

And even though. he is far less dangerous than Ergdoan. He would do alot to stay in power but he would not want us to be religious fanatics or determine who is worthy by mocking each other or pulling insults out of our asses. compare between Nethanyahu and Ergdoan words and actions and you will see big diffrence.

4. I do not support Nethanyahu. I did support the Likud but under Nethanyahu they are going too far to stay in power and it seems they don't care about what happens after them

5. I will come back the the Palestinian topic - You gotta to realize It's a rather new subject hence they and the Arab world desided to support the idea of Palesitnian Nation only after the major nations desided to give up on the military solution. at the time it made sense to start building there and secure the region hence negotiations failed (until 73' war) and at the time it seemed like Jordan will try to capture the region back. when the Palestinian idea boosted Israel did start negotiation but it ended up with suicide attacks everyime they did'nt get what they wanted

for the average Israeli Judea as Samaria is not more Palestinian than it is Israeli. and they don't see the Palestinian leaders and trustworthy partner (don't forget that they already got offer to get all the west bank and refused plenty of times). therefore they do not want to give up so easily just to get more terror. (Plus the new religious loby in the west bank)

نوشتع شده توسط Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

نوشتع شده توسط Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

tried to blame the west for ISIS

Except some of the West and Israel are to be blamed for the formation of ISIS? Don't get your point, but your speaking based on your natural bias as citizen of Israel..

You are just assuming things. and even if the west funded ISIS it is not more guilty than the people who brought their nation to this and supported leaders by redicilous criteras