LB Nerf

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نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 18.05.2018 at 06:32

edit: oh and yes, slowrolling requires more skill than rushing. True skill is knowing when to slowroll and when to rush, and not just always having one as default. If you compare, however, you will see that slowrolling requires an added dimension of thought.

Thank you very much for saying it, because this little comment I take it especially for me who follows a "slowrolling" ^^

نوشتع شده توسط boywind2, 18.05.2018 at 09:53

Stop whining LB isn't OP. Maybe learn to stack if Ukraine LB rushes you hmmm?

>responds to all his points with counter arguments and backs up original claims
response: stop whining lb isnt op

yeah ok im convinced

ps: i've never been rushed by LB ukr so far (have only been back a month) and i don't even care if that happens, the point is LB takes some of the strategy out of the game because you get op units without enough nerfs to force you to manage your units in the most effective manner... i wasnt even talking about lb ukr lol

This is a upvote farm
You will never get enough support for lb nerf so probably a good 30-40 upvote farm

All these are lb v pd

نوشتع شده توسط 1GodofWar1, 18.05.2018 at 12:56

This is a upvote farm
You will never get enough support for lb nerf so probably a good 30-40 upvote farm

its going to happen one way or another, its too op for its own good currently.

While other strats get good bad and normal rolls, lb gets godly, normal and on rare occasions bad rolls

Support

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 17.05.2018 at 17:13

If this gets enough support ill take it to the admins. It is the most urgently needed change at the moment. Please upvote/comment and add any outrageous lb rolls to this thread.

-3 crit to all units.

Ill start.

lb v pd



lb v imp



Edit : Stop discussing other strat changes. Clovis and ivan already shut down any chance of that. But clovis did relent that lb might need a nerf so here we are. I believe with enough support theyll add it. If you want other strat changes badger clovis. We cant do anything about it here.

any idea what the nerf wud be? 7 crit for all units?

نوشتع شده توسط Ben Pimpin, 18.05.2018 at 14:28

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 17.05.2018 at 17:13

If this gets enough support ill take it to the admins. It is the most urgently needed change at the moment. Please upvote/comment and add any outrageous lb rolls to this thread.

-3 crit to all units.

Ill start.

lb v pd



lb v imp



Edit : Stop discussing other strat changes. Clovis and ivan already shut down any chance of that. But clovis did relent that lb might need a nerf so here we are. I believe with enough support theyll add it. If you want other strat changes badger clovis. We cant do anything about it here.

any idea what the nerf wud be? 7 crit for all units?

-3 crit to all units.
zzzz

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 18.05.2018 at 11:37

نوشتع شده توسط boywind2, 18.05.2018 at 09:53

Stop whining LB isn't OP. Maybe learn to stack if Ukraine LB rushes you hmmm?

>responds to all his points with counter arguments and backs up original claims
response: stop whining lb isnt op

yeah ok im convinced

ps: i've never been rushed by LB ukr so far (have only been back a month) and i don't even care if that happens, the point is LB takes some of the strategy out of the game because you get op units without enough nerfs to force you to manage your units in the most effective manner... i wasnt even talking about lb ukr lol

I didn't provide a counter argument because they weren't counter arguments. You just flipped what I said and literally made the same argument that I had already made. You literally mocked yourself in the third paragraph of your post. Maybe try reading my post carefully again before posting...

You just restated whatever you said in your first post. You didn't back anything up. There was no reason for me to argue back to someone who thinks they are the top of the world because they beat people with MoS Ukraine...

Reply with some genuine reasons besides "I can't beat LB Ukr" and maybe then I'll reply to you because to me you it just sounds like whining...

نوشتع شده توسط boywind2, 18.05.2018 at 14:58

I didn't provide a counter argument because they weren't counter arguments. You just flipped what I said and literally made the same argument that I had already made. You literally mocked yourself in the third paragraph of your post. Maybe try reading my post carefully again before posting...

You just restated whatever you said in your first post. You didn't back anything up. There was no reason for me to argue back to someone who thinks they are the top of the world because they beat people with MoS Ukraine...

Reply with some genuine reasons besides "I can't beat LB Ukr" and maybe then I'll reply to you because to me you it just sounds like whining...

yeah, because saying GW doesn't require micro or that imp is a niche strat is a totally valid argument that I just restated...

"who thinks they are top of the world because they beat people with mos ukraine" lol so because i said that mos ukr is viable i think im the best... yea sure

I was explicitly not talking about lb ukr and trying to argue on the world map in general, but i guess you didn't read my posts properly, shame - oh and looking at both sides (and stating gw and ds are also op) is now whining... aight mate

all the points needed were made, continuing this argument is useless

نوشتع شده توسط The Tactician, 18.05.2018 at 15:14

نوشتع شده توسط boywind2, 18.05.2018 at 14:58

I didn't provide a counter argument because they weren't counter arguments. You just flipped what I said and literally made the same argument that I had already made. You literally mocked yourself in the third paragraph of your post. Maybe try reading my post carefully again before posting...

You just restated whatever you said in your first post. You didn't back anything up. There was no reason for me to argue back to someone who thinks they are the top of the world because they beat people with MoS Ukraine...

Reply with some genuine reasons besides "I can't beat LB Ukr" and maybe then I'll reply to you because to me you it just sounds like whining...

yeah, because saying GW doesn't require micro or that imp is a niche strat is a totally valid argument that I just restated...

"who thinks they are top of the world because they beat people with mos ukraine" lol so because i said that mos ukr is viable i think im the best... yea sure

I was explicitly not talking about lb ukr and trying to argue on the world map in general, but i guess you didn't read my posts properly, shame - oh and looking at both sides (and stating gw and ds are also op) is now whining... aight mate

all the points needed were made, continuing this argument is useless

How does GW take micro? It's just dragging units. You can hardly call that micro. Also, it is whining. I don't see another word that fits the bill so perfectly.

I don't support this, -3 crit is really too much, it will make it almost obsolete, it's not that op.. transport are nerfed and the rolls are rolls, it's not a safe bet as PD def. But it's true it's really strong, if a nerf is really needed, maybe -1 crit, but not -3...

Its a solution (which i do not suggest) but make the % Pseudo random instead of True Random

Its either going to be -2 crit or another +10 cost

-1 crit seems about right.

+10 cost.

When nerfing strats add to it's weakness rather than nerf it's strengths.

Nerfing the current lb will make it useless and nobody will use it

Nerfing LB is like kicking a homeless man into his stomach: sure, you can do it, but what's the point?

Https://prnt.sc/jjvm8i
Someone post this as an image pls

edit by tact: gotchu

نوشتع شده توسط Eagle, 19.05.2018 at 06:24

Https://prnt.sc/jjvm8i
Someone post this as an image pls

edit by tact: gotchu

That roll isn't even that crazy?..

نوشتع شده توسط 4nic, 18.05.2018 at 13:41

نوشتع شده توسط 1GodofWar1, 18.05.2018 at 12:56

This is a upvote farm
You will never get enough support for lb nerf so probably a good 30-40 upvote farm

its going to happen one way or another, its too op for its own good currently.

While other strats get good bad and normal rolls, lb gets godly, normal and on rare occasions bad rolls

this is to you and sphinx ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

نوشتع شده توسط Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2018 at 00:42

+10 cost.

When nerfing strats add to it's weakness rather than nerf it's strengths.

We already had +10 cost on inf and militia a patch ago and nobody played it. Unless we add the cost back just to the infantry. But even then that will reduce the strats current versatility which imo is a good thing. I dont want to see lb rendered obsolete again.

Boosting lb chance to +20% and nerfing critical value to random roll+half max roll will mathmetically and obviously make lb (and the game itself) less gay by a very minor effect it will be neither considerable nerf nor a considerable boost exactly and shits will be the same in the game except critical chance value will be less
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LB is very expensive to run. and leads to limited units over time. This is especially apparent early game and you mods wanna fuck around with strats because you can't CW or Duel because you don't know how to fight LB? Time to go and revive IF. Oh wait when everyone goes IF, NERF? you people are trying to mess around with crap that doesn't need fixing, How about you focus on making other strats more viable (Like Blitz, RA, Etc.) instead of trying to nerf the ones you find uncomfortable fighting yourselves. Trying to screw the rest of the community for your own convenience is utter abuse and such nonsense should not be happening.Rolls are bloody random anyway and manipulative screens aren't enough to BS that fact. It is only +10 crit anyway and +10 cost. It balances out with less units spammed, and you all wanna nerf it? This proposal to nerf LB is so the PD, IF and Other duel/cw fags who wanna screw over the scenario community with more strat BS.

نوشتع شده توسط SyrianDevil, 19.05.2018 at 08:05

نوشتع شده توسط 4nic, 18.05.2018 at 13:41

نوشتع شده توسط 1GodofWar1, 18.05.2018 at 12:56

This is a upvote farm
You will never get enough support for lb nerf so probably a good 30-40 upvote farm

its going to happen one way or another, its too op for its own good currently.

While other strats get good bad and normal rolls, lb gets godly, normal and on rare occasions bad rolls

this is to you and sphinx ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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نوشتع شده توسط K_Himmelreich, 19.05.2018 at 08:17

LB is very expensive to run. and leads to limited units over time. This is especially apparent early game and you mods wanna fuck around with strats because you can't CW or Duel because you don't know how to fight LB? Time to go and revive IF. Oh wait when everyone goes IF, NERF? you people are trying to mess around with crap that doesn't need fixing, How about you focus on making other strats more viable (Like Blitz, RA, Etc.) instead of trying to nerf the ones you find uncomfortable fighting yourselves. Trying to screw the rest of the community for your own convenience is utter abuse and such nonsense should not be happening.Rolls are bloody random anyway and manipulative screens aren't enough to BS that fact. It is only +10 crit anyway and +10 cost. It balances out with less units spammed, and you all wanna nerf it? This proposal to nerf LB is so the PD, IF and Other duel/cw fags who wanna screw over the scenario community with more strat BS.

Well done you. You managed to include all the anti strategy change clichés but failed to address why a strategy should basically get roughly 1 att/def to all units with barely any drawbacks. It's interesting that you accuse us of screwing over the scenario community when a strategy like this must be a plague upon your area of the game.

Then we look at your top 3 strats and oh.... what a surprise. Some people are shameless.

I read you since the beginning of this subject, I will give now my opinion on this subject which fascinates a lot of people.

I understand the statements and position of each, no one is right or wrong, because everyone in his point of view on the thing, so it will be difficult to find a solution to please everyone.

And the difference that there is at this time in the game and whether or not we must change the stretagie LB, whether the opponents or advocates of this strategy, the two oppositions are valid, that's why we should not nothing to change this strategy, for a simple and good reason and that as soon as it will be done, other players will turn on another strategy to demolish and therefore feel the need to change and so on, this is a never ending Story.

Conclusion all strategies must remain as they are, to avoid similar stories in the future.

We all love this game (i hopefully, if not for what reason do you come play ^^) so stop tearing yourself for so little, after all this is just a game (wonderful), why come you take the head, while life is so short and that much more serious things happen every day.

We are here to relax and have fun with people from different countries, continents and cultures, whom we would never have met in real life, thank At War for it.

I have played several other strategy games. All of them receive regular patches and changes to the meta. Dota2 a high profile example receives a patch every 2 weeks. Obviously i wouldn't expect the same of atwar but i don't think its unreasonable to ask for a few strat changes once a year or so. Especially when theyre so easy to apply and there is a paucity of any other updates to keep us longterm players interested. Scenario players are getting their map editor. What about us competitives. Fuck us eh?

نوشتع شده توسط Kame Sennin Taz, 19.05.2018 at 09:48

I read you since the beginning of this subject, I will give now my opinion on this subject which fascinates a lot of people.

I understand the statements and position of each, no one is right or wrong, because everyone in his point of view on the thing, so it will be difficult to find a solution to please everyone.

And the difference that there is at this time in the game and whether or not we must change the stretagie LB, whether the opponents or advocates of this strategy, the two oppositions are valid, that's why we should not nothing to change this strategy, for a simple and good reason and that as soon as it will be done, other players will turn on another strategy to demolish and therefore feel the need to change and so on, this is a never ending Story.

Conclusion all strategies must remain as they are, to avoid similar stories in the future.

We all love this game (i hopefully, if not for what reason do you come play ^^) so stop tearing yourself for so little, after all this is just a game (wonderful), why come you take the head, while life is so short and that much more serious things happen every day.

We are here to relax and have fun with people from different countries, continents and cultures, whom we would never have met in real life, thank At War for it.

So get lost with your whole "Bro peace and love to all. It's just a game, lets not change anything so we dont upset anybody." shtick. What strategy game do you know of that took that attitude and is still alive and kicking?

نوشتع شده توسط Kame Sennin Taz, 19.05.2018 at 09:48

what you're saying is, the game should remain stale and never change. we should always play the same things with no variety whatsoever right?

that is just plain wrong, change is necessary and has to be made. the ideal world would be where all strats have viability somewhere and a winrate of 50%. we don't have that in atwar, but if we did the game would be much better. the meta should never be stale and should constantly change every once in a while to give the game a breather of life and introduce innovation.

نوشتع شده توسط Permamuted, 19.05.2018 at 10:19

So get lost with your whole "Bro peace and love to all. It's just a game, lets not change anything so we dont upset anybody." shtick. What strategy game do you know of that took that attitude and is still alive and kicking?

I'm far from losing myself with "my peace and my love", but thank you for worrying it's nice of you.

I think you did not understand the meaning of my comment.
I just do not agree on changing this strategy, because it is a problem for some of the players who were at the top of the ladder and who is upset by players can be "lambda" for them, and suddenly want to pressure to quickly change before losing face, because they do not find a solution in the game to this problem. so they choose the easiness.

But I agree with you, do it once a year but for all strategies and not a selection among 2-3.